From: Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Design of the blobstore
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 09:13:25 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E71F9F5.9060005@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110915130514.GQ29309@redhat.com>
On 09/15/2011 09:05 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 01:05:44PM -0400, Stefan Berger wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> Over the last few days primarily Michael Tsirkin and I have
>> discussed the design of the 'blobstore' via IRC (#virtualization).
>> The intention of the blobstore is to provide storage to persist
>> blobs that devices create. Along with these blobs possibly some
>> metadata should be storable in this blobstore.
>>
>> An initial client for the blobstore would be the TPM emulation.
>> The TPM's persistent state needs to be stored once it changes so it
>> can be restored at any point in time later on, i.e., after a cold
>> reboot of the VM. In effect the blobstore simulates the NVRAM of a
>> device where it would typically store such persistent data onto.
> While I can see the appeal of a general 'blobstore' for NVRAM
> tunables related to device, wrt the TPM emulation, should we
> be considering use of something like the PKCS#11 standard for
> storing/retrieving crypto data for the TPM ?
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/PKCS11
We should regard the blobs the TPM produces as crypto data as a whole,
allowing for encryption of each one. QCoW2 encryption is good for that
since it uses per-sector encryption but we loose all that in case of RAW
image being use for NVRAM storage.
FYI: The TPM writes its data in a custom format and produces a blob that
should be stored without knowing the organization of its content. This
blob doesn't only contain keys but many other data in the 3 different
types of blobs that the TPM can produce under certain cirumstances :
values of counters, values of the PCRs (20 byte long registers), keys,
owner and SRK (storage root key) password, TPM's NVRAM areas, flags etc.
It produces the following blobs:
- permanent data blob: Whenever it writes data to peristent storage
- save state blob: Upon a S3 Suspend (kicked by the TPM TIS driver
sending a command to the TPM)
- volatile data: Upon migration / suspend that contains the volatile
data that after a reboot of the VM typically are initialized by the TPM
but of course need to be restored on the migration target / resume.
Stefan
> This is a industry standard for interfacing to cryptographic
> storage mechanisms, widely supported by all SSL libraries& more
> or less all programming languages. IIUC it lets the application
> avoid hardcoding a specification storage backend impl, so it can
> be made to work with anything from local files, to smartcards,
> to HSMs, to remote network services.
>
> Regards,
> Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-09-15 13:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-14 17:05 [Qemu-devel] Design of the blobstore Stefan Berger
2011-09-14 17:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-14 17:49 ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-14 17:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-14 21:12 ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-15 6:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-15 10:22 ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-15 10:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-15 10:55 ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-15 5:47 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 10:18 ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-15 10:20 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 11:17 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-09-15 11:35 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-09-15 11:40 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-09-15 11:58 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-09-15 12:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-09-16 8:46 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-09-15 14:19 ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-16 8:12 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-09-15 12:34 ` [Qemu-devel] Design of the blobstore [API of the NVRAM] Stefan Berger
2011-09-16 10:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-09-16 11:36 ` Stefan Berger
2011-09-15 13:05 ` [Qemu-devel] Design of the blobstore Daniel P. Berrange
2011-09-15 13:13 ` Stefan Berger [this message]
2011-09-15 13:27 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-09-15 14:00 ` Stefan Berger
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