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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Plan for moving forward with QOM
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2011 08:26:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E71FD19.6050606@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E719F7C.10700@redhat.com>

On 09/15/2011 01:47 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> On 09/14/2011 08:04 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> The concept of busses are implemented as an
>> interface that a device implements.
>
> I noticed that you haven't written in the document how to make devices reside on
> a particular bus (PCI, ISA, I2C, ...).
>
> The three possibilities for this are:
>
> * a device implements an interface. I would rule this out because for most buses
> the devices will need to store some data (PCI: configuration data, pointer to
> the parent bus; ISA: pointer to the parent bus). Interfaces are
> implementation-only, so you have to place the data in each device and cause
> massive code duplication.

I agree.

>
> * a device inherits from an abstract class, e.g. PCIDevice. It is useful to see
> how the inheritance tree would look like for two devices with a common chipset
> and multiple interfaces:
>
> Device
> NE2000
> PCIDevice
> PCI_NE2000 ------> includes a NE2000
> ISA_NE2000 ------> includes a NE2000

I think this model is the closest to what we have today and is the most obvious. 
  For something like ne2k, I would expect:

class NE2000 : public Device
{
   // ne2k public functions
};

class PCI_NE2000 : public PciDevice
{
   // implement PCI functions by calling ne2k public functions
   NE2000 ne2k;
};

class ISA_NE2000 : public IsaDevice
{
   // implement ISA functions by calling ne2k public functions
   NE2000 ne2k;
};

> * a device is composed with a connector object. There is no PCIDevice class
> anymore, so the bus has an array of socket<PCIConnector> instead. The case above
> would look like this
>
> Device
> NE2000 (abstract)
> PCI_NE2000 ------> includes a PCIConnector
> ISA_NE2000 ------> includes an ISAConnector
>
> Or, if you insist on a closer mapping of real hardware, where there are no
> abstract classes, it would look like this:
>
> Device
> NE2000
> PCI_NE2000 ------> includes an NE2000 and a PCIConnector
> ISA_NE2000 ------> includes an NE2000 and an ISAConnector

I think there are two ways to view this:

class PciDevice : public Device
{
    PciConnector connector;
    // init function registers closures with connector that dispatch
    // to abstract functions
};

Or:

class PciConnector : public PciDevice
{
    // provides interfaces to register closures which implement
    // PCI abstract functions
};

I personally lean toward the later as I don't think the PciConnector model 
really does map all that well to hardware (normally, at least).  I think this is 
much closer to how real hardware actually works.

>
> Advantages of abstract classes are pretty obvious, so I will just list them: it
> is more similar to what is done in QDev, and perhaps it is more intuitive.
>
>
> Advantages of connectors include:
>
> * it is more flexible: it lets you choose between a more abstract and a more
> low-level representation (the two hierarchies above);
>
> * you have the option of showing a simpler device tree to the user, without the
> internal composition. This is important because, unlike QDev, composition in QOM
> is explicit. So QOM would place NIC properties in NE2000, not in *_NE2000 (right?).
>
> * related to this, it keeps property names more stable. If I understand
> correctly, if the device starts as ISA-only or PCI-only, i.e.:
>
> Device
> PCIDevice
> PCI_NE2000
>
> and later you change it to support multiple buses, suddenly properties would
> have to be addressed differently to account for the composition of NE2000 inside
> PCI_NE2000. You could I guess implement "forwarder properties", but that would
> also lead to more boilerplate code.
>
> Any other opinions?

The properties thing is definitely an interesting point, but I'm not sure how 
far you can push it.  If you start out with a NE2000 device that is ISA and you 
decide to abstract it to a shared model, all you need to do is keep the ISA 
NE2000 device named NE2000 and call the common chip and PCI bridge something else.

I really think it's important to keep the simple cases simple.  I think any 
model where you don't do:

class E1000 : public PciDevice
{
};

Is unnecessarily complicated.  If it's too complicated, conversions will be much 
slower to do and will be more likely to be done wrong.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> Paolo
>

  reply	other threads:[~2011-09-15 13:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-09-14 18:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Plan for moving forward with QOM Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 18:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 19:30 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-14 19:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 21:15     ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-14 22:11       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:43         ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-15 14:11           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 16:38             ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-15 18:01               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 10:12             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-09-16 13:00               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 20:00 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-14 20:22   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 20:27     ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-14 20:37     ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-14 21:25       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15  6:31 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 10:49   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-09-15 13:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:17   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:23     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 14:46     ` John Williams
2011-09-16 16:10       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  1:11         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-17  2:12           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  2:35             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-15 13:57   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 14:25       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 15:28         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 15:38           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 16:33             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 16:59               ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 17:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 20:29                   ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 20:45                     ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 21:15                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 16:33                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 17:47                         ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-16 18:08                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 18:22                             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 18:42                               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 19:13                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 19:29                                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 20:48                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 21:03                                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  0:01                                 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-16 18:18                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 20:50                     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 16:47                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-17  0:48                         ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-17  2:17                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  2:29                             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17  2:41                             ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-15  6:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 13:26   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-09-15 13:35     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 13:54       ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 14:18         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:33           ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 14:48             ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 15:31             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 15:47               ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 20:23     ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-15 20:52       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-18  7:56         ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-18 14:00           ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-16  9:36       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-13  4:47 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 13:22   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-13 17:40     ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 18:00       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-13 20:36         ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 21:53           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14  0:39             ` Paul Brook
2011-12-14 13:53               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:01                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-14 14:11                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:35                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-14 14:46                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:50                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-15 18:59                 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-15 19:12                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-15 21:28                     ` Paul Brook
2011-12-16  2:08                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16  5:11                         ` Paul Brook
2011-12-14  9:11             ` Andreas Färber

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