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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	"Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Slow kernel/initrd loading via fw_cfg; Was Re: Hack integrating SeaBios / LinuxBoot option rom with QEMU trace backends
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 11:15:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E940919.7010901@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111011082315.GI14627@redhat.com>

On 10/11/2011 10:23 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>   - Application sandbox, directly boots the regular host's kernel and
>     a custom initrd image. The initrd does not contain any files except
>     for the 9p kernel modules and a custom init binary, which mounts
>     the guest root FS from a 9p filesystem export.
>
>     The kernel is<  5 MB, while the initrd is approx 700 KB compressed,
>     or 1.4 MB compressed. Performance for the sandbox is even more
>     critical than for libguestfs. Even 10's of milliseconds make a
>     difference here. The commands being run in the sandbox can be
>     very short lived processes, executed reasonably frequently. The
>     goal is to have end-to-end runtime overhead of<  2 seconds. This
>     includes libvirt guest startup, qemu startup/shutdown, bios time,
>     option ROM time, kernel boot&  shutdown time.
>
>     The reason for using a kerenl/initrd instead of a bootable ISO,
>     is that building an ISO requires time itself, and we need to be
>     able to easily pass kernel boot arguments via -append.
>
>
> I'm focusing on the last use case, and if the phase of the moon
> is correct, I can currently executed a sandbox command with a total
> overhead of 3.5 seconds (if using a compressed initrd) of which
> the QEMU execution time is 2.5 seconds.
>
> Of this, 1.4 seconds is the time required by LinuxBoot to copy the
> kernel+initrd. If I used an uncompressed initrd, which I really want
> to, to avoid decompression overhead, this increases to ~1.7 seconds.
> So the LinuxBoot ROM is ~60% of total QEMU execution time, or 40%
> of total sandbox execution overhead.

One thing we can do is boot a guest and immediately snapshot it, before 
it runs any application specific code.  Subsequent invocations will 
MAP_PRIVATE the memory image and COW their way.  This avoids the kernel 
initialization time as well.

>
> For comparison I also did a test building a bootable ISO using ISOLinux.
> This required 700 ms for the boot time, which is appoximately 1/2 the
> time reqiured for direct kernel/initrd boot. But you have to then add
> on time required to build the ISO on every boot, to add custom kernel
> command line args. So while ISO is faster than LinuxBoot currently
> there is still non-negligable overhead here that I want to avoid.

You can accept parameters from virtio-serial or some other channel.  Is 
there any reason you need them specifically as *kernel* command line 
parameters?

> For further comparison I tested with Rich Jones' patches which add a
> DMA-like inteface to fw_cfg. With this the time spent in the LinuxBoot
> option ROM was as close to zero as matters.
>
> So obviously, my preference is for -kernel/-initrd to be made very fast
> using the DMA-like patches, or any other patches which could achieve
> similarly high performance for -kernel/-initd.



-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-10-11  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-10 17:08 [Qemu-devel] Hack integrating SeaBios / LinuxBoot option rom with QEMU trace backends Daniel P. Berrange
2011-10-10 18:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-10-10 19:01   ` Alexander Graf
2011-10-11  8:23     ` [Qemu-devel] Slow kernel/initrd loading via fw_cfg; Was " Daniel P. Berrange
2011-10-11  8:43       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-10-11  9:15       ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-10-11  9:19         ` Alexander Graf
2011-10-11  9:26           ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-11  9:38             ` Alexander Graf
2011-10-11  9:49               ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-11  9:56                 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-10-11  9:59                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-11 10:28                     ` Gleb Natapov
2011-10-11 13:12               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-10-11 13:14                 ` Alexander Graf
2011-10-11 13:17                   ` Gleb Natapov
2011-10-11 13:19                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-10-11 13:23                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-11 13:24                       ` Gleb Natapov
2011-10-11 13:29                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-10-11 13:45                         ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-11 13:58                           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-10-11 14:01                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-10-11 14:33                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-10-11 14:34                         ` Alexander Graf
2011-10-11 14:36                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-10-11  9:50             ` Gleb Natapov
2011-10-11  9:55               ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-11 13:17                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-10-11 13:22                   ` Gleb Natapov
2011-10-15 14:19                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2011-10-11  9:27         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-10-11  9:39           ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-11  9:49             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-10-11  9:50               ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-11 10:09                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-10-15 10:00       ` Blue Swirl
2011-10-15 16:16         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2011-10-16 17:20           ` Lluís Vilanova
2011-10-11  9:08     ` [Qemu-devel] " Avi Kivity
2011-10-11  9:18       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-10-11  9:35         ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-10 23:57 ` Kevin O'Connor

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