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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, David Gibson <dwg@au1.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PULL 0/3] 128-bit support for the memory API
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 16:19:51 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EAD5D07.6060004@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EAD5B6B.204@codemonkey.ws>

On 10/30/2011 04:12 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 10/30/2011 09:02 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>> This somewhat controversial patchset converts internal arithmetic in the
>> memory API to 128 bits.
>>
>> It has been argued that with careful coding we can make 64-bit work as
>> well.  I don't think this is true in general - a memory router can
>> adjust
>> addresses either forwards or backwards, and some buses (PCIe) need the
>> full 64-bit space - though it's probably the case for all the
>> configurations
>> we support today.  Regardless, the need for careful coding means
>> subtle bugs,
>> which I don't want in a core API that is driven by guest supplied
>> values.
>
> The primary need for signed arithmetic is aliases, correct?

> Where do we actually make use of this in practice?   I think having
> negative address spaces is a weird aspect of the memory api and wonder
> if refactoring it away is a better solution tot he problem.
>

There is no direct use of signed arithmetic in the API (just in the
implementation).  Aliases can cause a region to move in either the
positive or negative direction, and this requires either signed
arithmetic or special casing the two directions.

Signed arithmetic is not the only motivation - overflow is another. 
Nothing prevents a user from placing a 64-bit 4k BAR at address
ffff_ffff_ffff_f000; we could move to base/limit representation, but
that will likely cause its own bugs.  Finally, we should be able to
represent both a 0-sized region and a 2^64 sized region.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2011-10-30 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-10-30 14:02 [Qemu-devel] [PULL 0/3] 128-bit support for the memory API Avi Kivity
2011-10-30 14:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/3] Add support for 128-bit arithmetic Avi Kivity
2011-10-30 14:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/3] memory: use 128-bit integers for sizes and intermediates Avi Kivity
2011-10-30 14:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] Adjust system and pci address spaces to full 64-bit Avi Kivity
2011-10-30 14:12 ` [Qemu-devel] [PULL 0/3] 128-bit support for the memory API Anthony Liguori
2011-10-30 14:19   ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-10-30 14:59     ` Blue Swirl
2011-10-30 15:10       ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-31  0:36     ` David Gibson
2011-10-31 10:27       ` Avi Kivity
2011-10-31 16:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-01  0:54   ` David Gibson
2011-11-01  8:43     ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-01 12:59       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-01 13:48         ` Andreas Färber
2011-11-02 10:17           ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-01 18:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-02 10:10   ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-03 13:09     ` Anthony Liguori

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