From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"libvir-list@redhat.com" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Juan Jose Quintela Carreira <quintela@redhat.com>,
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:29:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EBD3145.3050409@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EBD2B4F.5040409@codemonkey.ws>
Am 11.11.2011 15:03, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> On 11/11/2011 04:15 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>> Am 10.11.2011 22:30, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
>>> Live migration with qcow2 or any other image format is just not going to work
>>> right now even with proper clustered storage. I think doing a block level flush
>>> cache interface and letting block devices decide how to do it is the best approach.
>>
>> I would really prefer reusing the existing open/close code. It means
>> less (duplicated) code, is existing code that is well tested and doesn't
>> make migration much of a special case.
>
> Just to be clear, reopen only addresses image format migration. It does not
> address NFS migration since it doesn't guarantee close-to-open semantics.
Yes. But image formats are the only thing that is really completely
broken today. For NFS etc. we can tell users to use
cache=none/directsync and they will be good. There is no such option
that makes image formats safe.
> The problem I have with the reopen patches are that they introduce regressions
> and change at semantics for a management tool. If you look at the libvirt
> workflow with encrypted disks, it would break with the reopen patches.
Yes, this is nasty. But on the other hand: Today migration is broken for
all qcow2 images, with the reopen it's only broken for encrypted ones.
Certainly an improvement, even though there's still a bug left.
>> If you want to avoid reopening the file on the OS level, we can reopen
>> only the topmost layer (i.e. the format, but not the protocol) for now
>> and in 1.1 we can use bdrv_reopen().
>
> I don't view not supporting migration with image formats as a regression as it's
> never been a feature we've supported. While there might be confusion about
> support around NFS, I think it's always been clear that image formats cannot be
> used.
>
> Given that, I don't think this is a candidate for 1.0.
Nobody says it's a regression, but it's a bad bug and you're blocking a
solution for it for over a year now because the solution isn't perfect
enough in your eyes. :-(
Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-11-11 14:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-11-09 16:29 [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:02 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:53 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 10:41 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 16:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 20:57 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 8:55 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 17:50 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:54 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:20 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:36 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:42 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 19:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 20:06 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 20:07 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 10:15 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:29 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2011-11-11 14:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:44 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 20:38 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:27 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:43 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 16:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:25 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 9:58 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 10:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-15 13:28 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 10:16 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:08 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:21 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:29 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:55 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:58 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 12:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:36 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-11-14 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 14:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-15 13:20 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:25 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 23:33 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
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