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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	KVM mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Juan Jose Quintela Carreira <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:36:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EBE8486.8050102@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EBE7500.2010505@codemonkey.ws>

On 11/12/2011 03:30 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> Nor can you yank support for migration this way.  Might as well put a
>> big sign on 1.0, "Do Not Use This Release".
>
>
> You're joking, right?

No.

>
> Let's be very clear.  Live migration works perfectly fine when you use
> raw images and coherent shared storage.

This is not a realistic setup.

>
> NFS is *not* fully coherent so in order to do live migration with NFS,
> you have to use cache=none.

While putting restrictions on features is not ideal, requiring
cache=none is acceptable as it's that's what's recommended anyway by the
qemu management tool writer's guide.

>
> Live migration does not work with image formats.  There's not a simple
> way to make it support image files.  So far, no one has put the work
> into making it support image files.

It must be possible, since RHEL's qemu-kvm supports it.  I'm sure Kevin
and Juan can make it work.

>
>>
>> Making formal plans and sticking to them is great, but not to the point
>> of ignoring reality.
>
> Why do you think this is an end of the world feature?
>

In 2007 when live migration was added, random restrictions like that
weren't important.  4.5 years later, pulling support for it makes us
look like a joke.  Even if it's not technically a regression, in terms
of user's expectations, it is.  It's simply impossible to delay it for
six more months, or however long the 1.1 cycle takes.

-- 
I have a truly marvellous patch that fixes the bug which this
signature is too narrow to contain.

  reply	other threads:[~2011-11-12 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-09 16:29 [Qemu-devel] qemu and qemu.git -> Migration + disk stress introduces qcow2 corruptions Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2011-11-09 16:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 17:02   ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-09 17:35     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:53       ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 20:18       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 20:22         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 21:00           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-09 21:01             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 10:41               ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-10 16:50                 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:59                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:00                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 20:57         ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10  8:55       ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-10 17:50         ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-10 17:54         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:20           ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:30             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:36               ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2011-11-10 18:27         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 18:42           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 19:11             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 20:06               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-10 20:07                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-10 21:30           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 10:15             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:03               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:29                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 14:35                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-11 14:44                     ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-11 20:38                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:27                 ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 13:39                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 14:43                     ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-12 16:01                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 10:25               ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14  9:58                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 10:10                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-15 13:28                   ` Avi Kivity
2011-11-14 10:16                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 10:24                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:08                     ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:21                       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 11:29                         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:34                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:37                             ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:51                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:55                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 11:56                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:58                                 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2011-11-14 12:17                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 11:36                           ` Gleb Natapov
2011-11-14 11:32                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2011-11-14 14:19                   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-15 13:20                     ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-15 13:56                       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-09 19:25 ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-09 23:33   ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues

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