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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	quintela@redhat.com, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/7] block: allow migration to work with image files (v2)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:36:31 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EC17BCF.4040202@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EC17610.3000401@codemonkey.ws>

Am 14.11.2011 21:12, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> On 11/14/2011 02:11 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>> Am 14.11.2011 20:49, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
>>> On 11/14/2011 01:46 PM, Juan Quintela wrote:
>>>> Anthony Liguori<aliguori@us.ibm.com>   wrote:
>>>>> On 11/14/2011 07:11 AM, Juan Quintela wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> diff --git a/cpus.c b/cpus.c
>>>>>>> index 82530c4..ae5ec99 100644
>>>>>>> --- a/cpus.c
>>>>>>> +++ b/cpus.c
>>>>>>> @@ -398,6 +398,7 @@ static void do_vm_stop(RunState state)
>>>>>>>             vm_state_notify(0, state);
>>>>>>>             qemu_aio_flush();
>>>>>>>             bdrv_flush_all();
>>>>>>> +        bdrv_invalidate_cache_all();
>>>>>>>             monitor_protocol_event(QEVENT_STOP, NULL);
>>>>>>>         }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is too much. Reopening all qcow2 images each time that we stop the
>>>>>> vm looks excesive, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> This general code came in via:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://mid.gmane.org/cover.1290613959.git.mst@redhat.com
>>>>>
>>>>> That series made migration stable after issuing a stop operation.  I
>>>>> believe the justification was for debugging purposes or something like
>>>>> that.
>>>>>
>>>>> At any rate, invalidating the cache is part of what's required to make
>>>>> things stable.  If you look at something like cache=unsafe, the only
>>>>> way the metadata will get flushed if via a bdrv_close since bdrv_flush
>>>>> is a nop.
>>>>>
>>>>> So this is needed as long as we care about supporting this use-case.
>>>>
>>>> Then we need a "proper" qcow2 invalidate call.  Doing in qemu toplevel:
>>>>
>>>> (qemu)stop
>>>>
>>>> And now all your qcow2 block devices are closed, or perhaps failing to
>>>> re-open() looks too much to me (TM).
>>>>
>>>> Kevin?
>>>
>>> Look closely at the patch.  It doesn't actually close()/open() anything.
>>>
>>> It just invokes the bdrv_close() routine which calls the free functions on the
>>> l1/l2 caching functions.  bdrv_open() doesn't actually open anything (it assumes
>>> the file is already open.  It just reads the header and metadata over again.
>>>
>>> For something that's basically a hack, it turned out to work very cleanly :-)
>>
>> But why do we need to do it on stop?
>>
>> I don't think it makes even sense logically: bdrv_invalidate_cache()
>> means "throw all your caches away and refetch everything from disk".
>> What do we gain from doing this on stop? To some degree I could
>> understand if you did it on cont, so that you can modify an image on the
>> host while the VM is stopped (though I would still consider it criminal
>> :-)).
> 
> Michael basically was trying to avoid having a VM's state change after you 
> stopped the guest.
> 
> With something like cache=unsafe that periodically flushes based on a timer (I 
> think), you want to make sure that that doesn't happen after stop occurs.

This is a good point, but neither does cache=unsafe use a timer nor can
I see how invalidating the cache would avoid such behaviour. And
throwing away any unwritten changes doesn't really make it better.

Kevin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-11-14 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-12 15:56 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/7] migrate: add migration blockers Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 15:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/7] ivshmem: use migration blockers to prevent live migration in peer mode Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 13:05   ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-14 13:52     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 19:52       ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-14 19:55         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 15:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/7] qcow2: add a migration blocker Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 15:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/7] qed: add " Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 15:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/7] block: allow migration to work with image files (v2) Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 13:11   ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-14 14:10     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 19:46       ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-14 19:49         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 20:11           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 20:12             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 20:28               ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-14 20:36               ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2011-11-14 20:49                 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14 20:15             ` Juan Quintela
2011-11-12 15:56 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/7] qcow2: implement bdrv_invalidate_cache Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 15:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 7/7] qcow2: relax migration blocker Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14  9:04   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14  9:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/7] migrate: add migration blockers Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 18:25   ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-14  9:12 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-14 13:00 ` Juan Quintela
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-11-12 15:57 Anthony Liguori
2011-11-12 15:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/7] block: allow migration to work with image files (v2) Anthony Liguori

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