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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/18] qom: dynamic properties and composition tree
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 08:42:00 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4ED79238.9050504@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4ED78D33.5040206@redhat.com>

On 12/01/2011 08:20 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
> On 11/30/2011 11:03 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>> This is a follow up to my previous series to get us started in the QOM
>> direction.  A few things are different this time around.  Most notably:
>>
>>   1) Devices no longer have names.  Instead, path names are always used to
>>      identify devices.
>>
>>   2) In order to support (1), dynamic properties are now supported.
>>
>>   3) The concept of a "root device" has been introduced.  The root device is
>>      roughly modelling the motherboard of a machine.  This type is a container
>>      type and it's best to think of it as something like a PCB board I guess.
>>
>> To try it out, here's an example session:
>>
>> Launch:
>>
>> anthony@titi:~/build/qemu$ x86_64-softmmu/qemu-system-x86_64 -hda ~/images/linux.img -snapshot -device virtio-balloon-pci,id=foo -qmp unix:/tmp/server.sock,server,nowait
>>
>> Explore the object model:
>>
>> anthony@titi:~/git/qemu/QMP$ ./qom-list /
>> peripheral/
>> i440fx/
>> anthony@titi:~/git/qemu/QMP$ ./qom-list /i440fx/
>> piix3/
>> anthony@titi:~/git/qemu/QMP$ ./qom-list /i440fx/piix3
>> rtc/
>> anthony@titi:~/git/qemu/QMP$ ./qom-list /i440fx/piix3/rtc
>> date
>> base_year
>> anthony@titi:~/git/qemu/QMP$ ./qom-get /i440fx/piix3/rtc.date
>> tm_sec: 33
>> tm_hour: 21
>> tm_mday: 30
>> tm_year: 111
>> tm_mon: 10
>> tm_min: 2
>>
>
> So all of these become ABIs, right?

At first, no.  I marked all of these QMP functions as experimental specifically 
to avoid introducing a new ABI.  I want to give us some time to work out things 
out a bit more.  But yes, this will eventually become an ABI.

>
> We need good tools to allow easy review of the ABI bits hiding in
> patches, and to maintain ABI compatibility.  Something like
> qemu-print-abi that dumps all properties for all devices.  Patches could
> show the ABI changes by including a diff of the output of this program
> from before and after a change, and we could add similar tests for
> backwards compatibility.

I'm not sure that we want this interface to be backwards compatible.  I actually 
think we should provide a higher level interface that's explicitly there for 
compatibility.  Probably in the form of a C library that can be documented and 
reasoned with better.

That turns the problem into something that requires less cleverness.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

>

  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-01 14:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-11-30 21:03 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/18] qom: dynamic properties and composition tree Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/18] qom: add new dynamic property infrastructure based on Visitors Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01  8:19   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-01 13:30     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 15:52   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-02  1:08     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-02  9:43       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-02 18:47     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-05  9:16       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/18] qom: register legacy properties as new style properties Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01  8:33   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-01 13:31     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 15:51   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-02  1:03     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-02 12:19       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-01 16:14   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-02  1:05     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/18] qom: introduce root device Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/18] qdev: provide an interface to return canonical path from root Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/18] qdev: provide a path resolution Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 10:24   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-01 13:34     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/18] qom: add child properties (composition) Anthony Liguori
2011-12-02 11:54   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-02 14:54     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/18] qom: add link properties Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 10:55   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-01 13:40     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 11:21   ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-01 11:35     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-01 12:34       ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-01 13:47         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 13:50           ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-01 14:56             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 13:44     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 14:03       ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-01 14:53         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 15:00           ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-01 15:10             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 15:03           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-01 15:13             ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-01 15:14             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-02 12:15   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-02 14:57     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/18] qapi: allow a 'gen' key to suppress code generation Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/18] qmp: add qom-list command Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/18] qom: qom_{get,set} monitor commands Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 11:04   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-01 13:35     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/18] qdev: add explicitly named devices to the root complex Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/18] dev: add an anonymous peripheral container Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/18] rtc: make piix3 set the rtc as a child Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 11:07   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-01 13:35     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/18] rtc: add a dynamic property for retrieving the date Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 15:46   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-02  1:19     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-02 12:35       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-02 13:20         ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-02 13:34           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-02 15:05             ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/18] qom: optimize qdev_get_canonical_path using a parent link Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 11:21   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-01 13:38     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/18] Make qmp.py easier to use Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/18] Add test tools Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 11:26   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-01 13:39     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 14:03       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-11-30 21:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/18] qdev: split out QOM functions to separate files Anthony Liguori
2011-11-30 22:54 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/18] qom: dynamic properties and composition tree Anthony Liguori
2011-12-01 14:20 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-01 14:42   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-12-01 14:48     ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-01 15:01       ` Anthony Liguori

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