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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: "Ashley D Lai" <adlai@us.ibm.com>,
	"Anthony Liguori" <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	"Corey Bryant" <coreyb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Michael Halcrow" <mhalcrow@google.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Eric Paris" <eparis@redhat.com>,
	"Paul Moore" <pmoore@redhat.com>,
	"Radim Krčmář" <radimkrcmar@hpx.cz>,
	"Richa Marwaha" <rmarwah@us.ibm.com>,
	"Amit Shah" <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	"Eduardo Terrell Ferrari Otubo" <eotubo@br.ibm.com>,
	"Lee Terrell" <lterrell@us.ibm.com>,
	"George Wilson" <gcwilson@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Device sandboxing
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:08:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EE47302.4030000@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201112091617.50928.paul@codesourcery.com>

On 12/09/2011 06:17 PM, Paul Brook wrote:
> > A group of us are starting to work on sandboxing QEMU device emulation
> > code.  We're just getting started investigating various approaches, and
> > want to engage the community to gather input.
> > 
> > Following are the design points that we are currently considering:
> > 
> > * Decompose QEMU into multiple processes:
> > 
> >      * This could be done such that QEMU devices execute in separate
> >        processes based on device type, e.g. all block devices in one
> >        process and all network devices in a second process.  Another
> >        alternative is executing a separate process per device.
>
> I can't help wondering if nested virtualization would be a better solution.  
> i.e. have an outer VM that only implements a trusted subset of devices. Inside 
> that run a VM that provides the flakey legacy device emulation you expect to 
> be compromised.

Nested virtualization is going to be painfully slow.  We did consider
side-by-side virtualization: both the guest and the device model run in
separate VM containers (this is what Xen does, except it uses
paravirtualization for the device model).  It's going to be more
expensive that the other forms of sandboxing, though, due to the heavier
context switch penalty.

-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

      parent reply	other threads:[~2011-12-11  9:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-07 18:25 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Device sandboxing Corey Bryant
2011-12-07 18:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-07 19:32   ` Corey Bryant
2011-12-07 19:43     ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-07 19:52       ` Michael Halcrow
2011-12-07 20:02       ` Corey Bryant
2011-12-07 20:54       ` Eric Paris
2011-12-08  9:40         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-11 10:50           ` Dor Laor
2011-12-12 18:54             ` Will Drewry
2011-12-08  9:47     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-12-08 14:39       ` Corey Bryant
2011-12-07 21:20   ` Paul Moore
2011-12-14 17:15     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2011-12-14 23:56       ` Paul Moore
2011-12-15 14:28         ` Corey Bryant
2011-12-15 15:14           ` Serge Hallyn
2011-12-15 15:35             ` Paul Moore
2011-12-15 16:05               ` Serge Hallyn
2011-12-08 21:51 ` Blue Swirl
2011-12-12 18:30   ` Corey Bryant
2011-12-09 16:17 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-09 16:34   ` Paul Moore
2011-12-09 17:32     ` Paul Brook
2011-12-09 17:49       ` Paul Moore
2011-12-09 18:46         ` Paul Brook
2011-12-09 18:50           ` Paul Moore
2011-12-09 18:59           ` Paul Brook
2011-12-09 19:17             ` Paul Moore
2011-12-10 19:39   ` Blue Swirl
2011-12-11  9:08   ` Avi Kivity [this message]

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