From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Paul Brook <paul@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Plan for moving forward with QOM
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 07:22:05 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EE7517D.2060709@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201112130447.58486.paul@codesourcery.com>
On 12/12/2011 10:47 PM, Paul Brook wrote:
>> The full set of devices names and properties used in this example are
>> below:
>>
>> Type: I440FX
>> Is-a: Device
>> Implements: PciBus
>> Name: i440fx
>> Properties:
>> piix3: Composition<PIIX3>
>> slot[1.0]: Backlink<PciDevice>
>>
>> Type: PIIX3
>> Isa-a: PciDevice
>> Implements: IsaBus
>> Name: i440fx::piix3
>> Properties:
>> i8042: Composition<I8042>
>> bus: Backlink<PciDevice> (inherited from PciDevice)
>>
>> Type: I8042
>> Isa-a: Device
>> Implements: Ps2Controller
>> Name: i440fx::piix3::i8042
>> Properties:
>> aux: Backlink<Ps2Mouse>
>
> I haven't looks at the patches in detail, but your description looks fairly
> dubious in its current form.
This is an old thread. A few things have evolved since then.
>
> Is the type of piix3::bus a typo? I think this should be Backlink<PciBus>.
Yup. It's now link<PciBus>.
>
> What is the difference between "Is-a" and "Implements"?
It's multiple inheritance but interfaces (implements) cannot carry state which
avoids an inheritance diamond problem. This is the inheritance model used by
Java, C#, and glib.
> It sounds like some
> form of multiple inheritance, but it's unclear to me which should be the
> primary type. For PCI host bridges like the i440fx we currently have to split
> them into two, one fot the host bus and the other for the PCI bus. It feels
> like if we design the model properly this should no longer be necessary.
Yes, that's exactly what this solves. I think we could probably make i440fx
is-a PCIDevice that implements a PciBus. It's the same thing we would do with a
PCI Bridge.
> I'm not so sure we should have Is-a at all.
A point that has been repeatedly brought up is that you can avoid primary
inheritance and just rely on composition using composed interfaces as your
communication vehicle.
I think in some cases, that will make sense, and the object model allows that.
> Isn't the point of replacing the
> bus/device hierachy with a set of links that devices don't follow a simple
> tree structure? It's fairly common for the tree branches to merge back
> together when a single device communicates via multiple busses.
Yes, but don't confuse the inheritance tree with the device graph.
> It's somewhat unlear what the purpose of composition is. Using composition
> for piix4::piiix and piix3::i8042 seems wrong. In fact piix3 shouldn't have
> any knowledge of i8042 at all, it's just annother random ISA device.
i8042 is not a random ISA device. It lives in the piix3 and the piix3 has
intimate knowledge of it. When model a20 line propagation, this is actually an
important detail.
> Speaking of which, presumably i8042 should be an IsaDevice, which inherits
> (amongst other things) a bus: Backlink<IsaBus> property.
>
> What happens when my device has multiple parts that need to be referred to by
> other devices? An interrupt controller is the most obvious example, but
> similar issues occur for any device that has multiple connections of the same
> type. Am I expected to create a whole bunch of dummy devices and a private
> interface to bounce everything back to the main device, somethig like:
>
> Type: MagicInterruptController
> Is-a: SystemBusDevice
> Implements: MagicInterruptInterface
> Properties:
> in_pin0: Composition<MagicInterruptPin, pin_number=0, controller=this>
> in_pin1: Composition<MagicInterruptPin, pin_number=1, controller=this>
> out_pin: link<IRQ>
No, there would be a single 'Pin' class that would be used for irqs. There is
no need to subclass it.
>
> Type: MagicInterruptPin
> Implements: IRQ
> Properties:
> pin_number: int
> controller: BackLink<MagicInterruptInterface>
>
> It seems like rather than having a device implement a set of interfaces, it
> might be better to have these be properties. Call them a Target<>. The above
> then becomes something like:
>
> Type: MagicInterruptController
> Is-a: SystemBusDevice
> Properties:
> in_pin0: Target<IRQ>
> in_pin1: Target<IRQ>
> out_pin: Link<IRQ>
So this is more like how it works today except s/Link/child/ and s/Target/link/g.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
>
> Where the Target<> properties are objects/methods provided by the device, and
> the Link<> properties are pointed to them as the machine is constructed.
>
> Paul
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-12-13 13:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-09-14 18:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Plan for moving forward with QOM Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 18:49 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 19:30 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-14 19:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 21:15 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-14 22:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:43 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-15 14:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 16:38 ` Jan Kiszka
2011-09-15 18:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 10:12 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-09-16 13:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 20:00 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-14 20:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-14 20:27 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-14 20:37 ` Blue Swirl
2011-09-14 21:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 6:31 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 10:49 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2011-09-15 13:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:23 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 14:46 ` John Williams
2011-09-16 16:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17 1:11 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-17 2:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17 2:35 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-15 13:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:14 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 14:25 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 15:28 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 15:38 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 16:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 16:59 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 17:51 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 20:29 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 20:45 ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 21:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 16:33 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 17:47 ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-16 18:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 18:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 18:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 19:13 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 19:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 20:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-16 21:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17 0:01 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-16 18:18 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-15 20:50 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-16 16:47 ` Gleb Natapov
2011-09-17 0:48 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-17 2:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17 2:29 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-17 2:41 ` Edgar E. Iglesias
2011-09-15 6:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 13:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 13:35 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 13:54 ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 14:18 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 14:33 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 14:48 ` Peter Maydell
2011-09-15 15:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-15 15:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-09-15 20:23 ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-15 20:52 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-09-18 7:56 ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-18 14:00 ` Avi Kivity
2011-09-16 9:36 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2011-12-13 4:47 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 13:22 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2011-12-13 17:40 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 18:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-13 20:36 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-13 21:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 0:39 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-14 13:53 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:01 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-14 14:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:35 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-14 14:46 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-14 14:50 ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-15 18:59 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-15 19:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-15 21:28 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-16 2:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16 5:11 ` Paul Brook
2011-12-14 9:11 ` Andreas Färber
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