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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 00/20] qom: dynamic properties and composition tree
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 14:28:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EEB4782.9090707@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4EEB3FA4.9010807@redhat.com>

On 12/16/2011 01:55 PM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> I don't think that not remembering the child device because you don't
> need to reference it any more makes it any less static. You could easily
> add the struct member, assign it once and then it matches your
> definition of static.

I think in that case you would add a link property, not a child.

> And it's not even true of all child devices, for example PCII440FXState
> does have a pointer to its piix3 already.

It's unused, actually.  You're right, even though I'm not sure whether a 
child<Pin> will be stored in the parent as a Pin or as a qemu_irq.

> >  I think Anthony convinced me this is not the case (unlike links).  Even
> >  if buses and similar objects are changed to pointers because the
> >  implementation needs that, those pointers should never be NULL (or if
> >  they can, the child property should not exist when they are NULL).
>
> So child properties are never configurable, and if a device is optional
> or you can choose between multiple devices then it should be a link
> instead. That is, device composition in term of "child devices" happens
> only hard-coded and the user doesn't do it.
>
> Is this a reasonably accurate description of the intention?

It does sound accurate.  In addition, a child property should really 
model a parent-child relationship and should create a tree.

As an example, say you want to join two devices ("A" and "B"), by adding 
a connection from B to A.  Assuming you cannot simply add A as a 
child<A> to B, you can do it in several ways:

1) directly add a link<A> property to B.

    Examples:

    - a local APIC has a link<CPUX86State>

2) generalizing (1), you can add a link<X> property to B, where X can be 
any superclass of A or an interface implemented by A.

    Examples:

    - an object representing a PCI bus has a link<PCIDevice> for each
      slot (PCIDevice is an abstract class)

    - a SCSIBus can have a link<SCSIBusAdapter> to the parent (assuming
      SCSIBus is a class and SCSIBusAdapter is an interface)

3) using composition ("has-a") instead of inheritance, you can add a 
child<X> property to A and a link<X> property to B.

     Example:

     - a SCSI bus adapter is a device that has a child<SCSIBus>.
       A SCSIDevice doesn't have a link to the adapter, but only
       a link<SCSIBus>.

     - instead of representing PCIDevice as a class, you could have a
       child<PCIConnector> in the children, and a link<PCIConnector> in
       the bus.  (I would actually prefer this to an abstract PCIDevice
       class, but we agreed that it would be too much churn for now).

     - X can be simply a "Pin".

     All of these examples match your definition, I tihnk.

For bidirectional links you can have any combination of the above.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2011-12-16 13:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-12 20:29 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 00/20] qom: dynamic properties and composition tree Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 01/20] qom: add a reference count to qdev objects Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 02/20] qom: add new dynamic property infrastructure based on Visitors (v2) Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 03/20] qom: register legacy properties as new style properties (v2) Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 04/20] qom: introduce root device Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 05/20] qdev: provide an interface to return canonical path from root (v2) Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 06/20] qdev: provide a path resolution (v2) Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 07/20] qom: add child properties (composition) (v3) Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 08/20] qom: add link properties (v2) Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 09/20] qapi: allow a 'gen' key to suppress code generation Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 10/20] qmp: add qom-list command Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 11/20] qom: qom_{get, set} monitor commands (v2) Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 12/20] qdev: add explicitly named devices to the root complex Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 13/20] dev: add an anonymous peripheral container Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 14/20] rtc: make piix3 set the rtc as a child (v2) Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 15/20] rtc: add a dynamic property for retrieving the date Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 16/20] qom: optimize qdev_get_canonical_path using a parent link Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 17/20] qom: add vga node to the pc composition tree Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 18/20] qom: add string property type Anthony Liguori
2011-12-12 20:29 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 19/20] qdev: add a qdev_get_type() function and expose as a 'type' property Anthony Liguori
2011-12-15 18:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 00/20] qom: dynamic properties and composition tree Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16  9:42   ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-16 10:17     ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-12-16 10:36       ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-16 12:24         ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-12-16 12:55           ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-16 13:28             ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2011-12-16 13:52               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16 13:51           ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16 13:52             ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-12-16 14:11               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16 14:18             ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-16 14:54               ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16 14:56                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2011-12-16 15:10                 ` Kevin Wolf
2011-12-16 13:49       ` Anthony Liguori
2011-12-16 13:48     ` Anthony Liguori

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