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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Isaku Yamahata <yamahata@valinux.co.jp>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	t.hirofuchi@aist.go.jp, satoshi.itoh@aist.go.jp,
	Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/21][RFC] postcopy live migration
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 16:39:52 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4EFCEC38.3080308@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1325055139.git.yamahata@valinux.co.jp>

On 12/28/2011 07:25 PM, Isaku Yamahata wrote:
> Intro
> =====
> This patch series implements postcopy live migration.[1]
> As discussed at KVM forum 2011, dedicated character device is used for
> distributed shared memory between migration source and destination.
> Now we can discuss/benchmark/compare with precopy. I believe there are
> much rooms for improvement.
>
> [1] http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/PostCopyLiveMigration
>
>
> Usage
> =====
> You need load umem character device on the host before starting migration.
> Postcopy can be used for tcg and kvm accelarator. The implementation depend
> on only linux umem character device. But the driver dependent code is split
> into a file.
> I tested only host page size == guest page size case, but the implementation
> allows host page size != guest page size case.
>
> The following options are added with this patch series.
> - incoming part
>    command line options
>    -postcopy [-postcopy-flags<flags>]
>    where flags is for changing behavior for benchmark/debugging
>    Currently the following flags are available
>    0: default
>    1: enable touching page request
>
>    example:
>    qemu -postcopy -incoming tcp:0:4444 -monitor stdio -machine accel=kvm
>
> - outging part
>    options for migrate command
>    migrate [-p [-n]] URI
>    -p: indicate postcopy migration
>    -n: disable background transferring pages: This is for benchmark/debugging
>
>    example:
>    migrate -p -n tcp:<dest ip address>:4444
>
>
> TODO
> ====
> - benchmark/evaluation. Especially how async page fault affects the result.

I'll review this series next week (Mike/Juan, please also review when you can).

But we really need to think hard about whether this is the right thing to take 
into the tree.  I worry a lot about the fact that we don't test pre-copy 
migration nearly enough and adding a second form just introduces more things to 
test.

It's also not clear to me why post-copy is better.  If you were going to sit 
down and explain to someone building a management tool when they should use 
pre-copy and when they should use post-copy, what would you tell them?

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  parent reply	other threads:[~2011-12-29 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-12-29  1:25 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/21][RFC] postcopy live migration Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/21] arch_init: export sort_ram_list() and ram_save_block() Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/21] arch_init: export RAM_SAVE_xxx flags for postcopy Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/21] arch_init/ram_save: introduce constant for ram save version = 4 Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/21] arch_init: refactor host_from_stream_offset() Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/21] arch_init/ram_save_live: factor out RAM_SAVE_FLAG_MEM_SIZE case Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/21] arch_init: refactor ram_save_block() Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/21] arch_init/ram_save_live: factor out ram_save_limit Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/21] arch_init/ram_load: refactor ram_load Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/21] exec.c: factor out qemu_get_ram_ptr() Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/21] exec.c: export last_ram_offset() Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/21] savevm: export qemu_peek_buffer, qemu_peek_byte, qemu_file_skip Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/21] savevm: qemu_pending_size() to return pending buffered size Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/21] savevm, buffered_file: introduce method to drain buffer of buffered file Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/21] migration: export migrate_fd_completed() and migrate_fd_cleanup() Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/21] migration: factor out parameters into MigrationParams Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/21] umem.h: import Linux umem.h Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/21] update-linux-headers.sh: teach umem.h to update-linux-headers.sh Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/21] configure: add CONFIG_POSTCOPY option Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/21] postcopy: introduce -postcopy and -postcopy-flags option Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:25 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/21] postcopy outgoing: add -p and -n option to migrate command Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29  1:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/21] postcopy: implement postcopy livemigration Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29 15:51   ` Orit Wasserman
2012-01-04  3:34     ` Isaku Yamahata
2011-12-29 16:06   ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-04  3:29     ` Isaku Yamahata
2012-01-12 14:15       ` Avi Kivity
2011-12-29 22:39 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-01-01  9:43   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/21][RFC] postcopy live migration Orit Wasserman
2012-01-01 16:27     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-02  9:28       ` Dor Laor
2012-01-02 17:22         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-01-01  9:52   ` Dor Laor
2012-01-04  1:30     ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-01-04  3:48     ` Michael Roth
2012-01-04  3:51   ` Isaku Yamahata
     [not found] ` <BLU0-SMTP161AC380D472854F48E33A5BC9A0@phx.gbl>
2012-01-11  2:45   ` [Qemu-devel] 回??: " Isaku Yamahata
2012-01-12  8:29     ` thfbjyddx
2012-01-12  8:54       ` [Qemu-devel] 回??: [PATCH 00/21][RFC] postcopy live?migration Isaku Yamahata
2012-01-12 13:26         ` thfbjyddx
2012-01-16  6:51           ` Isaku Yamahata
2012-01-16 10:17             ` Isaku Yamahata
2012-03-12  8:36               ` thfbjyddx
2012-03-13  3:21                 ` Isaku Yamahata

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