Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/21][RFC] postcopy live migration

[Dor Laor <dlaor@redhat.com>]

On 12/30/2011 12:39 AM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> On 12/28/2011 07:25 PM, Isaku Yamahata wrote:
>> Intro
>> =====
>> This patch series implements postcopy live migration.[1]
>> As discussed at KVM forum 2011, dedicated character device is used for
>> distributed shared memory between migration source and destination.
>> Now we can discuss/benchmark/compare with precopy. I believe there are
>> much rooms for improvement.
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.qemu.org/Features/PostCopyLiveMigration
>>
>>
>> Usage
>> =====
>> You need load umem character device on the host before starting
>> migration.
>> Postcopy can be used for tcg and kvm accelarator. The implementation
>> depend
>> on only linux umem character device. But the driver dependent code is
>> split
>> into a file.
>> I tested only host page size == guest page size case, but the
>> implementation
>> allows host page size != guest page size case.
>>
>> The following options are added with this patch series.
>> - incoming part
>> command line options
>> -postcopy [-postcopy-flags<flags>]
>> where flags is for changing behavior for benchmark/debugging
>> Currently the following flags are available
>> 0: default
>> 1: enable touching page request
>>
>> example:
>> qemu -postcopy -incoming tcp:0:4444 -monitor stdio -machine accel=kvm
>>
>> - outging part
>> options for migrate command
>> migrate [-p [-n]] URI
>> -p: indicate postcopy migration
>> -n: disable background transferring pages: This is for
>> benchmark/debugging
>>
>> example:
>> migrate -p -n tcp:<dest ip address>:4444
>>
>>
>> TODO
>> ====
>> - benchmark/evaluation. Especially how async page fault affects the
>> result.
>
> I'll review this series next week (Mike/Juan, please also review when
> you can).
>
> But we really need to think hard about whether this is the right thing
> to take into the tree. I worry a lot about the fact that we don't test
> pre-copy migration nearly enough and adding a second form just
> introduces more things to test.

It is an issue but it can't be a merge criteria, Isaku is not blame of 
pre copy live migration lack of testing.

I would say that 90% of issues of live migration problems are not 
related to the pre|post stage but more of issues of device model save 
state. So post-copy shouldn't add a significant regression here.

Probably it will be good to ask every migration patch writer to write an 
additional unit test for migration.

> It's also not clear to me why post-copy is better. If you were going to
> sit down and explain to someone building a management tool when they
> should use pre-copy and when they should use post-copy, what would you
> tell them?

Today, we have a default of max-downtime of 100ms.
If either the guest work set size or the host networking throughput 
can't match the downtime, migration won't end.
The mgmt user options are:
  - increase the downtime more and more to an actual stop
  - fail migrate

W/ post-copy there is another option.
Performance measurements will teach us (probably prior to commit) when 
this stage is valuable. Most likely, we better try first with pre-copy 
and if we can't meet the downtime we can optionally use post-copy.

Here's a paper by Umesh (the migration thread writer):
http://osnet.cs.binghamton.edu/publications/hines09postcopy_osr.pdf

Regards,
Dor

>
> Regards,
>
> Anthony Liguori
>