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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>
To: Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>
Cc: "xen-devel@lists.xensource.com" <xen-devel@lists.xensource.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/6] save/restore on Xen
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 12:50:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F1D4974.4090003@siemens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1201231042250.3196@kaball-desktop>

On 2012-01-23 11:47, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jan 2012, Jan Kiszka wrote:
>> On 2012-01-20 18:20, Stefano Stabellini wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> this is the fourth version of the Xen save/restore patch series.
>>> We have been discussing this issue for quite a while on #qemu and
>>> qemu-devel:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://marc.info/?l=qemu-devel&m=132346828427314&w=2
>>> http://marc.info/?l=qemu-devel&m=132377734605464&w=2
>>>
>>>
>>> A few different approaches were proposed to achieve the goal
>>> of a working save/restore with upstream Qemu on Xen, however after
>>> prototyping some of them I came up with yet another solution, that I
>>> think leads to the best results with the less amount of code
>>> duplications and ugliness.
>>> Far from saying that this patch series is an example of elegance and
>>> simplicity, but it is closer to acceptable anything else I have seen so
>>> far.
>>>
>>> What's new is that Qemu is going to keep track of its own physmap on
>>> xenstore, so that Xen can be fully aware of the changes Qemu makes to
>>> the guest's memory map at any time.
>>> This is all handled by Xen or Xen support in Qemu internally and can be
>>> used to solve our save/restore framebuffer problem.
>>>
>>> >From the Qemu common code POV, we still need to avoid saving the guest's
>>> ram when running on Xen, and we need to avoid resetting the videoram on
>>> restore (that is a benefit to the generic Qemu case too, because it
>>> saves few cpu cycles).
>>
>> For my understanding: Refraining from the memset is required as the
>> already restored vram would then be overwritten?
> 
> Yep
> 
>> Or what is the ordering
>> of init, RAM restore, and initial device reset now?
> 
> RAM restore (done by Xen)
> 
> physmap rebuild (done by xen_hvm_init in qemu)
> pc_init()
> qemu_system_reset()
> load_vmstate()

Hmm, are you sure that this is the only case where a device init or
reset handler writes to already restored guest memory? Preloading the
RAM this way is a non-standard scenario for QEMU, thus conceptually
fragile. Does restoring happen before QEMU is even started, or can this
point be controlled from QEMU?

Jan

-- 
Siemens AG, Corporate Technology, CT T DE IT 1
Corporate Competence Center Embedded Linux

  reply	other threads:[~2012-01-23 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-01-20 17:20 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/6] save/restore on Xen Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-20 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 1/6] vl.c: do not save the RAM state when Xen is enabled Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-23 15:58   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-20 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 2/6] xen mapcache: check if memory region has moved Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-20 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 3/6] Set runstate to INMIGRATE earlier Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-20 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 4/6] cirrus_vga: do not reset videoram on resume Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-20 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 5/6] xen: record physmap changes to xenstore Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-20 17:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 6/6] xen: change memory access behavior during migration Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-20 17:59 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/6] save/restore on Xen Jan Kiszka
2012-01-23 10:47   ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-23 11:50     ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2012-01-23 11:59       ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-23 12:10         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-01-23 14:46           ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-23 15:46             ` Jan Kiszka
2012-01-23 16:16               ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-23 16:22                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-23 17:13                 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-01-23 17:18                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-23 17:31                     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-01-23 17:36                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-24 10:21                         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-01-24 11:13                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 12:00                             ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-24 15:39                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 13:18                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-24 15:43                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 13:25                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-24 15:47                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 11:10                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 11:27                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-01-24 11:32                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 11:44                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-01-24 15:48                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 11:52                           ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-24 13:15                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-24 13:14                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-24 15:56                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-01-24 17:51                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-23 16:00     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-23 16:46       ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-23 16:54         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-01-23 17:05           ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-23 17:07             ` Anthony Liguori
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-01-25 13:04 Stefano Stabellini
2012-01-31 15:50 ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-02-13 12:20   ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-02-21 10:22     ` Stefano Stabellini

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