From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42675) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S20yT-0007FB-Cp for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:50:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S20yS-0007uw-5E for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:50:45 -0500 Received: from mail-pw0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]:35678) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S20yR-0007up-VK for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 08:50:44 -0500 Received: by pbbro12 with SMTP id ro12so6468841pbb.4 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:50:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F4B8A2E.1030209@codemonkey.ws> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 07:50:38 -0600 From: Anthony Liguori MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1330299995-8688-1-git-send-email-aliguori@us.ibm.com> <4F4B3CF0.5040703@web.de> <4F4B80D8.6010000@codemonkey.ws> <4F4B8484.7060109@siemens.com> <4F4B860C.30404@codemonkey.ws> <4F4B8858.7060202@siemens.com> In-Reply-To: <4F4B8858.7060202@siemens.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/8] Add GTK UI to enable basic accessibility (v2) List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , To: Jan Kiszka Cc: Kevin Wolf , Stefano Stabellini , Stefan Weil , "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" , Alex Graf , Paolo Bonzini On 02/27/2012 07:42 AM, Jan Kiszka wrote: > On 2012-02-27 14:33, Anthony Liguori wrote: >>> That all keyboard inputs are grabbed when the mouse is in the window and >>> you don't need to press ctrl-alt-g explicitly. And the reverse should >>> happen when the mouse reaches the window border. Just like under SDL, >>> give it a try. >> >> Right, this was intentional. I think it's weird that a window would steal input >> when the mouse moves over it breaking desktop accelerators like alt tab. If >> you've ever alt-tab cycled through windows when QEMU is running, if you're >> unlucky enough to have the mouse where a QEMU window may be, the QEMU instance >> will steal input and prevent alt-tab from working anymore. > > This would be a usability regression. It is very unhandy to switch > between grabbed and ungrabbed, specifically for alt-tab, when working > with guests vs. host windows. Look e.g. at how rdeskop works in this > regard. That's why I introduced this feature to QEMU, and I would not > want to see it die again with the introduction of GTK. I'll add a "Grab on Hover" menu item to enable the behavior. It's a good excuse to look at gconf to store GUI preferences too. >>>>> - window not resizable (except in broken full-screen mode) >>>> >>>> That's intentional. >>> >>> And a mistake IMHO. Definitely for the text consoles, but one can also >>> argue about the guest graphic console. I think Stefano once introduced >>> this for some Xen use case, maybe he can comment on it. >> >> If we added resize, I wouldn't want to scale-to-size. I find this behavior to >> be more trouble than it's worth. I'd want to render the VGA screen with a black >> border only scaling based on the zoom settings. > > OK for aspect-ratio-correct scaling of the guest view from my POV. And > if there is a use case for the old behavior, we could still add a switch > to the menu for selecting the scaling mode. Okay, I'll look into it. >>> BTW, "VGA" is the wrong term for the graphic console. Maybe there is the >>> real front-end name available somewhere and could be used instead. >> >> Any suggestions? Display? Graphics? >> >> Or were you thinking something like Cirrus VGA? > > VGA is (mostly) x86. Also, we may once have multiple guest screens, > maybe even multiple types of them. So picking up some telling front-end > name would likely scale best. Display 0? I think Monitor would be more natural but obviously that would conflict with the human monitor. Regards, Anthony Liguori > Jan >