From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues <lmr@redhat.com>,
Scott Zawalski <scottz@google.com>,
Ademar Reis <areis@redhat.com>,
QEMU devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Cleber Rosa <crosa@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Future goals for autotest and virtualization tests
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 06:24:56 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F59F698.5090203@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F59F3F3.9050200@redhat.com>
On 03/09/2012 06:13 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> Am 09.03.2012 12:59, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
>> On 03/09/2012 05:14 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
>>> Am 09.03.2012 00:51, schrieb Ademar Reis:
>>>> On Thu, Mar 08, 2012 at 05:21:44PM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>>>>> Plus it's not unconditional: the test runner will report tests
>>>>>> SKIPPED if a dependency is not present.
>>>>>
>>>>> But then the tests aren't run so if most developers didn't have it
>>>>> installed, and most tests were written with it, most developers
>>>>> wouldn't be running most tests which defeats the purpose, no?
>>>>
>>>> Part of a TDD approach is to have build and test bots frequently
>>>> running tests on multiple platforms with different
>>>> configurations.
>>>>
>>>> You can't expect developers to run all tests all the time.
>>>
>>> I think this is one of the most important points: Not all developers
>>> must run all the tests all the time.
>>>
>>> Actually, Anthony agreed with me when I said that developers should run
>>> some sanity tests for all of qemu and maybe a few more tests for the
>>> subsystems they're touching.
>>
>> And a small number of randomly chosen test cases.
>>
>> We don't want to have test cases that never run under normal circumstances or
>> else they're prone to break. That's why I've talked a lot about keeping 'make
>> check' time bound.
>
> This sounds horrible. make check results must be reproducible,
It is reproducible by fixing the random seed. When you run qemu-test, you get
output like:
$ ./qemu-test qemu-system-x86_64 tests/device-add.sh
Using RANDOM seed 56782
Formatting '.tmp-2398/disk.img', fmt=qcow2 size=10737418240 encryption=off
cluster_size=65536
ls: cannot access .tmp-2398/logfile-2398.log: No such file or directory
/home/anthony/build/qemu/x86_64-softmmu/qemu-system-x86_64 -kernel
bin/vmlinuz-3.0 -initrd .tmp-2398/initramfs-2398.img.gz -append console=ttyS0
seed=56782 -nographic -enable-kvm -device virtio-balloon-pci,id=balloon0
-pidfile .tmp-2398/pidfile-2398.pid -qmp
unix:.tmp-2398/qmpsock-2398.sock,server,nowait
test: 70: =: unexpected operator
[ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpuset
[ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
[ 0.000000] Linux version 3.0.0 (anthony@titi) (gcc version 4.5.2
(Ubuntu/Linaro 4.5.2-8ubuntu4) ) #7 SMP Mon Dec 19 15:54:15 CST 2011
To run the exact same test again, you would do:
$ QEMU_TEST_SEED=56782 ./qemu-test qemu-system-x86_64 tests/devices-add.sh
This lets you design high coverage tests without having to mess around with
changing configuration files. In the latest qemu-test, you can even fix your
random choices if you want to configure a very specific test.
> not
> depend on a randomly chosen set. If you do it like this, a passed make
> check means exactly _nothing_.
You can have it both ways. You can fix choices in order to have a deterministic
test of a specific thing or you can allow choices to be made randomly (with
weighting).
So you can make make check validate very precise things but chances are, there's
a class of things that you would like people to test but maybe not every time
make check runs. Having a contingent of occasionally executed tests means
you'll get better coverage for less commonly used features.
>>> A test bot would be great, but even if people just
>>> run them occasionally by hand, that would already detect bugs that are
>>> currently left in the code for months. If maintainers do it before
>>> pushing code into master, you'll even catch everything before it goes
>>> into master. This is as good as it gets.
>>
>> We'll integrate make check into buildbot which currently does look at
>> submaintainer trees.
>
> But make check will never be the full thing. And if you want to
> integrate make check into automated testing, then choosing a random
> subset of tests for each is an even worse idea than it is anyway.
make check-full.
> I believe the only sane thing to do is to distinguish between quick
> sanity tests that are run by make check, and a full test suite that is
> not run by every developer, but ideally by some test bots.
Yeah, I don't think we're disagreeing at all.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
>
> Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-03-09 12:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-03-08 4:00 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Future goals for autotest and virtualization tests Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-08 11:44 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-08 11:54 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-08 12:17 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 12:18 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-09 11:48 ` [Qemu-devel] [KVM-AUTOTEST] " Osier Yang
2012-03-08 12:28 ` [Qemu-devel] " Cleber Rosa
2012-03-08 13:06 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-08 13:36 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 14:01 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-08 14:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 15:00 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 23:59 ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-09 0:08 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 14:49 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 14:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 15:07 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 15:14 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 16:05 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 17:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 17:59 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 18:21 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-08 18:22 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-08 19:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 21:02 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 21:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 22:24 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 23:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 23:51 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-09 9:41 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-09 14:00 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-09 14:54 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-09 15:01 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-09 15:17 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-09 11:14 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-09 11:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 12:13 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-09 12:24 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-03-09 11:20 ` Cleber Rosa
2012-03-09 12:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 12:40 ` Cleber Rosa
2012-03-09 12:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 12:46 ` Cleber Rosa
2012-03-08 23:07 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-08 23:56 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-09 0:04 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 13:24 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 12:13 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 12:48 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-09 14:13 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 14:40 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-09 14:40 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-09 13:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 13:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 14:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 14:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 13:03 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 15:46 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-08 15:57 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 16:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 16:34 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-08 16:36 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 16:46 ` Ademar Reis
2012-03-08 16:47 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-08 16:08 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 15:19 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-08 18:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 19:34 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-08 19:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-08 20:17 ` Lucas Meneghel Rodrigues
2012-03-08 21:02 ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-08 21:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 13:36 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 14:01 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 14:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 14:43 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 15:00 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 15:02 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 15:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 15:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 15:34 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 15:48 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-09 17:02 ` Cleber Rosa
2012-03-08 14:04 ` Alon Levy
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