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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 06/17] block: use bdrv_{co, aio}_discard for write_zeroes operations
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2012 19:06:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5A46A1.4000508@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F5A31B2.3050701@redhat.com>

Il 09/03/2012 17:37, Kevin Wolf ha scritto:
>> > Remove the bdrv_co_write_zeroes callback.  Instead use the discard
>> > information from bdrv_get_info to choose between bdrv_co_discard
>> > and a normal write.
>> > 
>> > Signed-off-by: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
> I'm not sure if this a good idea.
> 
> The goal of discard is to remove data from the image (or not add it if
> it isn't there yet) and ideally deallocate the used clusters. The goal
> of write_zeroes is to mark space as zero and explicitly allocate it for
> this purpose.
> 
> From a guest point of view these are pretty similar, but from a host
> perspective I'd say there's a difference.

True.  However, we need to present a uniform view to the guests,
including the granularity, or discard can never be enabled.  The
granularity must be 512 on IDE (though it can be higher on SCSI), so
there are problems mapping block layer discard straight down to the guest.

There are basically three ways to do this:

1) we could cheat and present a discard_granularity that is smaller than
what the underlying format/protocol supports.  This is fine but forces
discard_zeroes_data to be false.  That's a pity because Linux 3.4 will
start using efficient zero write operations (WRITE SAME on SCSI, but
could be extended to UNMAP/TRIM if discard_zeroes_data is true).

2) we can make an emulated discard that always supports 512 bytes
granularity and always zeroes data.  This patch series takes this route.

3) we can let the user choose between (1) and (2).  I didn't choose this
because of laziness mostly---co_write_zeroes support is not really
complete, for example there's no aio version to use in device
models---and also because I doubt anyone would really use the option.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2012-03-09 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-08 17:15 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 00/17] Improvements around discard and write zeroes Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 01/17] qemu-iotests: add a simple test for write_zeroes Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 02/17] qed: make write-zeroes bounce buffer smaller than a single cluster Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 03/17] block: add discard properties to BlockDriverInfo Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 16:47   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 04/17] qed: implement bdrv_aio_discard Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 16:31   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-09 17:53     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 05/17] block: pass around qiov for write_zeroes operation Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 06/17] block: use bdrv_{co, aio}_discard for write_zeroes operations Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 16:37   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-09 18:06     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2012-03-10 18:02       ` Richard Laager
2012-03-12 12:27         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-12 13:04           ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-13 19:13           ` Richard Laager
2012-03-14  7:41             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-14 12:01               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-14 12:14                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-14 12:37                   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-14 12:49                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-14 13:04                       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-24 15:33                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-03-24 15:30                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-03-26 19:40                     ` Richard Laager
2012-03-27 10:20                       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-24 15:29                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-03-26  9:44                   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-03-26  9:56                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-03-15  0:42               ` Richard Laager
2012-03-15  9:36                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-16  0:47                   ` Richard Laager
2012-03-16  9:34                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-24 15:27         ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-03-26 19:40           ` Richard Laager
2012-03-27  9:08             ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 07/17] block: make high level discard operation always zero Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:55   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-09 16:42     ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-12 10:42       ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-12 11:04         ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-12 12:03           ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 08/17] block: kill the write zeroes operation Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 09/17] ide: issue discard asynchronously but serialize the pieces Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 10/17] ide/scsi: add discard_zeroes_data property Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 18:13   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-08 18:14     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 11/17] ide/scsi: prepare for flipping the discard defaults Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 12/17] ide/scsi: turn on discard Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 18:17   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 13/17] block: fallback from discard to writes Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-24 15:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 14/17] block: support FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE trimming Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09  8:20   ` Chris Wedgwood
2012-03-09  8:31     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09  8:35       ` Chris Wedgwood
2012-03-09  8:40         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 10:31   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-09 10:43     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 10:53       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-09 10:57         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-09 20:36   ` Richard Laager
2012-03-12  9:34     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-24 15:40     ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 15/17] raw: add get_info Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 16/17] qemu-io: fix the alloc command Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-08 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 17/17] raw: implement is_allocated Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-24 15:42   ` Christoph Hellwig

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