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From: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>, Stefan Weil <sw@weilnetz.de>,
	Stefano Stabellini <stefano.stabellini@eu.citrix.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] We need more reviewers/maintainers!!
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 02:01:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4F5E9C6D.1070101@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4F5E91CA.7040104@codemonkey.ws>

Am 13.03.2012 01:16, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> On 03/12/2012 06:32 PM, Andreas Färber wrote:
>> Take Blue's recent target-ppc fix
>> 9d4df9c02866f39d3eef105033091f367cc7c29e for example: After applying
>> patches on day one of FOSDEM he posted a -Werror fix, it got confirmed
>> by me and Alex but wasn't applied until a week later, because apparently
>> no other committer dared to apply Blue's patch despite SoB and acks and
>> people reporting the issue... Not happy.
>> No doubt Alex is to blame for not catching that issue in his ppc queue,
>> but asking Alex as submaintainer to submit a PULL for a single patch
>> posted by Blue as committer seems overly complicated to me! ;)
> 
> I think this is a good demonstration of what the problem is.  Unclear
> responsibility.

Agreed. Solution is documentation of expected workflows.

>  I'm pretty sure that Blue thought that Alex would
> handle the patch.  I'm pretty sure that Alex thought Blue would handle
> the patch.

Alex actually asked Blue to.

However from what I understand, Blue is not working on QEMU full-time,
like me previously. I assume he handled the patch once he read and came
around to it. It's just that no one else with commit powers reacted to
the situation.

The way I see it no one "owns" code in QEMU. Some people feel
responsible for (or comfortable reviewing changes to) parts of QEMU, and
the project scales by distributing review, testing and queuing to more
such shoulders.
However where a (sub)maintainer is unresponsive - and *there* I
differentiate between build breakages, runtime issues and feature
additions - we can't wait forever and need to adapt processes. Fixing
the build within a reasonable time is one requirement, moving forward
with target-mips at all is another example.

It's not really that we have too few maintainers, it's that not all
maintainers maintain at all times - for valid work or personal reasons -
and we don't seem to have a well-working escalation mechanism beyond
ping^n to handle that.

Andreas

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-03-13  1:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-03-12 17:06 [Qemu-devel] We need more reviewers/maintainers!! Stefano Stabellini
2012-03-12 17:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 17:34   ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-03-12 18:48     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 19:10       ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-03-12 19:04         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 19:21           ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-03-12 19:38             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-13 11:34               ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-03-13 11:27     ` Kevin Wolf
2012-03-13 11:41       ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-03-13 12:12       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-03-12 18:03 ` Lluís Vilanova
2012-03-12 18:10   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 19:39     ` Lluís Vilanova
2012-03-12 19:43       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 18:18   ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-03-13 13:27     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-14 13:50       ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-14 13:52         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-14 13:58           ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-14 14:17             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-14 14:25               ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-13 10:38   ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-12 19:18 ` Michael Roth
2012-03-13 11:11   ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-03-12 20:12 ` Stefan Weil
2012-03-12 20:24   ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-12 20:29     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 20:43       ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-12 21:06         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 21:09           ` malc
2012-03-12 21:13             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 21:41               ` Stefan Weil
2012-03-12 21:52                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 21:43               ` malc
2012-03-12 21:49                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 22:53                   ` malc
2012-03-12 21:16           ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-12 21:19             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-13 10:39         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-12 20:40     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2012-03-12 20:27   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 21:12     ` Stefan Weil
2012-03-12 21:18       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-12 23:32         ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-13  0:16           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-13  0:54             ` Alexander Graf
2012-03-13  1:01             ` Andreas Färber [this message]
2012-03-13  1:23               ` Alexander Graf
2012-03-13  1:31                 ` Super Bisquit
2012-03-13  1:39                 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-13  2:04                   ` Alexander Graf
2012-03-13  2:05                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-14 19:47               ` Blue Swirl
2012-03-13  9:09             ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-13 13:50               ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-13 14:12                 ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-13 14:39                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-13 14:43                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-13 14:46                       ` Alexander Graf
2012-03-13 14:54                       ` Peter Maydell
2012-03-13 14:49                 ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-13 14:57                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-13 15:13                     ` Eric Blake
2012-03-12 21:24     ` Stefan Weil
2012-03-13 13:40     ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-13 14:00       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-13 14:38         ` Avi Kivity
2012-03-13 14:41           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-03-14 20:00             ` Blue Swirl
2012-03-14 19:55       ` Blue Swirl
2012-03-13 10:41   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-03-13 16:31     ` Andreas Färber
2012-03-13 18:14       ` Stefan Weil
2012-03-14  9:17         ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2012-07-18  9:28   ` Peter Maydell

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