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From: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, Corey Bryant <coreyb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, lcapitulino@redhat.com,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, eblake@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/7] file descriptor passing using pass-fd
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 13:40:34 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4FFB25A2.1010303@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120626091004.GA14451@redhat.com>

On 06/26/2012 04:10 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 02:36:07PM -0400, Corey Bryant wrote:
>> libvirt's sVirt security driver provides SELinux MAC isolation for
>> Qemu guest processes and their corresponding image files.  In other
>> words, sVirt uses SELinux to prevent a QEMU process from opening
>> files that do not belong to it.
>>
>> sVirt provides this support by labeling guests and resources with
>> security labels that are stored in file system extended attributes.
>> Some file systems, such as NFS, do not support the extended
>> attribute security namespace, and therefore cannot support sVirt
>> isolation.
>>
>> A solution to this problem is to provide fd passing support, where
>> libvirt opens files and passes file descriptors to QEMU.  This,
>> along with SELinux policy to prevent QEMU from opening files, can
>> provide image file isolation for NFS files stored on the same NFS
>> mount.
>>
>> This patch series adds the pass-fd QMP monitor command, which allows
>> an fd to be passed via SCM_RIGHTS, and returns the received file
>> descriptor.  Support is also added to the block layer to allow QEMU
>> to dup the fd when the filename is of the /dev/fd/X format.  This
>> is useful if MAC policy prevents QEMU from opening specific types
>> of files.
>
> I was thinking about some of the sources complexity when using
> FD passing from libvirt and wanted to raise one idea for discussion
> before we continue.
>
> With this proposed series, we have usage akin to:
>
>    1. pass_fd FDSET={M} ->  returns a string "/dev/fd/N" showing QEMU's
>       view of the FD
>    2. drive_add file=/dev/fd/N
>    3. if failure:
>         close_fd "/dev/fd/N"
>
> My problem is that none of this FD passing is "transactional".

My original patch series did not suffer from this problem.

QEMU owned the file descriptor once it received it from libvirt.

I don't think the cited problem (QEMU failing an operation if libvirt was down) 
is really an actual problem since it would be libvirt that would be issuing the 
command in the first place (so the command would just fail which libvirt would 
have to assume anyway if it crashed).

I really dislike where this thread has headed with /dev/fdset.  This has become 
extremely complex and cumbersome.

Perhaps we should reconsider using an RPC for QEMU to request an fd as this 
solves all the cited problems in a much simpler fashion.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-07-09 18:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-22 18:36 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/7] file descriptor passing using pass-fd Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 1/7] qemu-char: Add MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC flag to recvmsg Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 19:31   ` Eric Blake
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 2/7] qapi: Convert getfd and closefd Corey Bryant
2012-07-11 18:51   ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 3/7] qapi: Add pass-fd QMP command Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 20:24   ` Eric Blake
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 4/7] qapi: Re-arrange monitor.c functions Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 5/7] block: Prevent /dev/fd/X filename from being detected as floppy Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 6/7] block: Convert open calls to qemu_open Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 18:36 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 7/7] osdep: Enable qemu_open to dup pre-opened fd Corey Bryant
2012-06-22 19:58   ` Eric Blake
     [not found] ` <20120626091004.GA14451@redhat.com>
     [not found]   ` <4FE9A0F0.2050809@redhat.com>
     [not found]     ` <20120626175045.2c7011b3@doriath.home>
     [not found]       ` <4FEA37A9.10707@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
     [not found]         ` <4FEA3D9C.8080205@redhat.com>
2012-07-02 22:02           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v4 0/7] file descriptor passing using pass-fd Corey Bryant
2012-07-02 22:31             ` Eric Blake
2012-07-03  9:07               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-07-03  9:40               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-03 13:42               ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-03 15:40             ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-03 15:59               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-03 16:25                 ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-03 17:03                   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-03 17:46                     ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-03 18:00                       ` Eric Blake
2012-07-03 18:21                         ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-04  8:09                           ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-05 15:06                             ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 14:05                               ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-07-09 15:05                                 ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 15:46                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-09 16:18                                     ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-07-09 17:59                                       ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 17:35                                     ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 17:48                                       ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-07-09 18:02                                         ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-10  7:53                                       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-09 18:20                                   ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-04  8:00                     ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-05 14:22                       ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-05 14:51                         ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-05 16:35                           ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-05 16:37                             ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06  9:06                               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-05 17:00                             ` Eric Blake
2012-07-05 17:36                               ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06  9:11                               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-06 17:14                                 ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06 17:15                                   ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06 17:40                                 ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-06 18:19                                   ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 14:04                                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin Wolf
2012-07-09 15:23                                     ` Corey Bryant
2012-07-09 15:30                                       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-09 18:40   ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-07-09 19:00     ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-07-10  8:54       ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-07-10  7:58     ` Kevin Wolf

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