From: Manos Pitsidianakis <manos.pitsidianakis@linaro.org>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
"Daniel P. Berrangé " <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
"Alexander Graf" <agraf@csgraf.de>,
"Alex Benné e" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
"Phil Mathieu-Daudé " <philmd@linaro.org>,
"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>, "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>,
"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
"Mark Cave-Ayland" <mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk>,
"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:56:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4l0it.9kkxe9s135lg@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231123092523-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:35, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>On Thu, Nov 23, 2023 at 11:40:26AM +0000, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
>> There has been an explosion of interest in so called "AI" (LLM)
>> code generators in the past year or so. Thus far though, this is
>> has not been matched by a broadly accepted legal interpretation
>> of the licensing implications for code generator outputs. While
>> the vendors may claim there is no problem and a free choice of
>> license is possible, they have an inherent conflict of interest
>> in promoting this interpretation. More broadly there is, as yet,
>> no broad consensus on the licensing implications of code generators
>> trained on inputs under a wide variety of licenses.
>>
>> The DCO requires contributors to assert they have the right to
>> contribute under the designated project license. Given the lack
>> of consensus on the licensing of "AI" (LLM) code generator output,
>> it is not considered credible to assert compliance with the DCO
>> clause (b) or (c) where a patch includes such generated code.
>>
>> This patch thus defines a policy that the QEMU project will not
>> accept contributions where use of "AI" (LLM) code generators is
>> either known, or suspected.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
>> ---
>> docs/devel/code-provenance.rst | 40 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> 1 file changed, 40 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/docs/devel/code-provenance.rst b/docs/devel/code-provenance.rst
>> index b4591a2dec..a6e42c6b1b 100644
>> --- a/docs/devel/code-provenance.rst
>> +++ b/docs/devel/code-provenance.rst
>> @@ -195,3 +195,43 @@ example::
>> Signed-off-by: Some Person <some.person@example.com>
>> [Rebased and added support for 'foo']
>> Signed-off-by: New Person <new.person@example.com>
>> +
>> +Use of "AI" (LLM) code generators
>> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> +
>> +TL;DR:
>> +
>> + **Current QEMU project policy is to DECLINE any contributions
>> + which are believed to include or derive from "AI" (LLM)
>> + generated code.**
>> +
>> +The existence of "AI" (`Large Language Model <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_language_model>`__
>> +/ LLM) code generators raises a number of difficult legal questions, a
>> +number of which impact on Open Source projects. As noted earlier, the
>> +QEMU community requires that contributors certify their patch submissions
>> +are made in accordance with the rules of the :ref:`dco` (DCO). When a
>> +patch contains "AI" generated code this raises difficulties with code
>> +provenence and thus DCO compliance.
>> +
>> +To satisfy the DCO, the patch contributor has to fully understand
>> +the origins and license of code they are contributing to QEMU. The
>> +license terms that should apply to the output of an "AI" code generator
>> +are ill-defined, given that both training data and operation of the
>> +"AI" are typically opaque to the user. Even where the training data
>> +is said to all be open source, it will likely be under a wide variety
>> +of license terms.
>> +
>> +While the vendor's of "AI" code generators may promote the idea that
>> +code output can be taken under a free choice of license, this is not
>> +yet considered to be a generally accepted, nor tested, legal opinion.
>> +
>> +With this in mind, the QEMU maintainers does not consider it is
>> +currently possible to comply with DCO terms (b) or (c) for most "AI"
>> +generated code.
>> +
>> +The QEMU maintainers thus require that contributors refrain from using
>> +"AI" code generators on patches intended to be submitted to the project,
>> +and will decline any contribution if use of "AI" is known or suspected.
>> +
>> +Examples of tools impacted by this policy includes both GitHub CoPilot,
>> +and ChatGPT, amongst many others which are less well known.
>
>
>So you called out these two by name, fine, but given "AI" is in scare
>quotes I don't really know what is or is not allowed and I don't know
>how will contributors know. Is the "AI" that one must not use
>necessarily an LLM? And how do you define LLM even? Wikipedia says
>"general-purpose language understanding and generation".
>
>
>All this seems vague to me.
>
>
>However, can't we define a simpler more specific policy?
>For example, isn't it true that *any* automatically generated code
>can only be included if the scripts producing said code
>are also included or otherwise available under GPLv2?
The following definition makes sense to me:
- Automated codegen tool must be idempotent.
- Automated codegen tool must not use statistical modelling.
I'd remove all AI or LLM references. These are non-specific, colloquial
and in the case of `AI`, non-technical. This policy should apply the
same to a Markov chain code generator.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-23 15:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-11-23 11:40 [PATCH 0/2] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 11:40 ` [PATCH 1/2] docs: introduce dedicated page about code provenance / sign-off Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 11:58 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-11-23 17:08 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 23:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 13:01 ` Peter Maydell
2023-11-23 17:12 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 13:16 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-23 17:12 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 14:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 17:16 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 17:33 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:11 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-11-24 11:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 9:49 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-23 15:13 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2024-01-27 14:36 ` Zhao Liu
2024-01-29 9:31 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-01-29 9:35 ` Samuel Tardieu
2024-01-29 10:41 ` Peter Maydell
2024-01-29 11:00 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 11:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] docs: define policy forbidding use of "AI" / LLM code generators Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 12:57 ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-23 17:37 ` Michal Suchánek
2023-11-23 23:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 17:46 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 23:53 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:17 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-24 10:33 ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-24 10:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:43 ` Peter Maydell
2023-11-24 11:02 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:37 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-24 11:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 13:20 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-23 14:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 14:56 ` Manos Pitsidianakis [this message]
2023-11-23 15:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 15:29 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-11-23 17:06 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 17:29 ` Michal Suchánek
2023-11-23 18:05 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-23 15:32 ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-23 18:02 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 18:10 ` Peter Maydell
2023-11-24 10:25 ` Kevin Wolf
2023-11-24 10:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:42 ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2023-11-23 17:58 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 22:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 9:06 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-24 9:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 10:21 ` Alex Bennée
2023-11-24 10:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-11-24 11:41 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-11-23 15:22 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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