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From: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	patches@linaro.org, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] kvm: Move kvm_allows_irq0_override() to target-i386
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:14:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <500A730F.8040604@web.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA8DJ6mZCEbwJjSWEQRzQe58xnL47Vv-oXzEd6aP+NxKkw@mail.gmail.com>

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On 2012-07-21 10:54, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 21 July 2012 07:57, Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@web.de> wrote:
>> On 2012-07-20 21:14, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>> I'm sure this isn't the only x86ism in the KVM generic source
>>> files. However the thing I'm specifically trying to do is
>>> nuke all the uses of kvm_irqchip_in_kernel() in common code,
>>
>> No, "irqchip in kernel" is supposed to be a generic concept. We will
>> also have it on Power. Not sure what your plans are for ARM, maybe it
>> will always be true there.
> 
> I agree that "irqchip in kernel?" is generic (though as you'll see
> below there's disagreement about what that ought to mean or imply).
> "irq0_override" though seems to me to be absolutely x86 specific.

Naming is x86 specific, semantic not. It means that KVM doesn't prevent
remapping of IRQs. Granted, I really hope you don't make such mistakes
in your arch.

> 
>> That said, maybe there is room for discussion about what it means for
>> the general KVM code and its users if the irqchip is in the kernel. Two
>> things that should be common for every arch:
>>  - VCPU idle management is done inside the kernel
> 
> The trouble is that at the moment QEMU assumes that "is the
> irqchip in kernel?" == "is VCPU idle management in kernel", for
> instance. For ARM, VCPU idle management is in kernel whether
> we're using the kernel's model of the VGIC or not. Alex tells
> me PPC is the same way. It's only x86 that has tied these two
> concepts together.

Hmm, and why does Power work despite this mismatch?

If cpu_thread_is_idle doesn't work for you, define something like
kvm_idle_in_kernel() to replace kvm_irqchip_in_kernel here.

> 
> The reason I want to get rid of common-code uses of kvm_irqchip_in_kernel()
> is because I think they're all similar to this -- the common code is
> using the check as a proxy for something else, and it should be directly
> asking about that something else. The only bits of code that should
> care about "is the irqchip in kernel?" are:
>  * target-specific device/machine setup code which needs to know
>    which apic/etc to instantiate
>  * target-specific x86 code which has this weird synchronous IRQ
>    delivery model for irqchip-not-in-kernel
> (Obviously I might have missed something, I'm flailing around
> trying to understand this code :-))
> 
>>  - in-kernel KVM helpers like vhost or VFIO can inject IRQs directly
>>
>> The latter point implies that irqfd is available and that interrupt
>> routes from virtual IRQs (*) (like the one associated with an irqfd) to
>> the in-kernel IRQ controller have to be established. That's pretty generic.
> 
> But you can perfectly well have an in-kernel-irqchip that doesn't
> support irqfd 

You could, thought this doesn't make much sense.

> -- it just means that interrupts from devices have
> to come in via the ioctls same as anything else. Some in-kernel
> helpers obviously would depend on the existence and use of a full
> featured in-kernel irqchip (on ARM you don't get the in kernel timer
> unless you have in kernel VGIC), but I don't see why the virtio code
> should be asking "is there an in kernel irqchip?" rather than "can
> I do irqfd routing?" or whatever the question is it actually wants
> to ask.  (In fact the virtio code probably needs to do something
> more complex anyway: you could perfectly well have a system where
> there is a full-featured irqchip in the kernel but the virtio
> device is on the "wrong" side of a second interrupt controller
> which is not in-kernel. So the actual question it needs to ask
> is "does the interrupt wiring in this specific machine model mean
> I can get and use an irqfd from where I am to the main CPU
> interrupt controller?" or something similar.)

Well, same here: then define more precise generic test functions.

Jan


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  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-21  9:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-20 19:14 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] kvm: Move kvm_allows_irq0_override() to target-i386 Peter Maydell
2012-07-21  6:57 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-07-21  8:54   ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-21  9:14     ` Jan Kiszka [this message]
2012-07-21  9:30       ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-21  9:44         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-07-21  9:56           ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-21 10:22             ` Jan Kiszka
2012-07-21 10:53               ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-21 11:08                 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-07-21 12:17                   ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-21 12:35                     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-07-21 12:57                       ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-21 13:16                         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-07-23 12:04                           ` Cornelia Huck
2012-07-23 12:18                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23 12:25                               ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-23 12:31                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23 12:34                                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23 13:06                               ` Cornelia Huck
2012-07-23 13:14                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23 13:55                                   ` Cornelia Huck
2012-07-23 14:27                                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23 15:01                                       ` Cornelia Huck
2012-07-23 12:26     ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23 12:58       ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-23 13:09         ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23 13:27           ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-23 13:38             ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23 13:50               ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-23 14:30                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-23 17:58                   ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-24  8:50                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-24  8:54                       ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-24  8:58                         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-07-23 15:19       ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-23 16:55         ` Jan Kiszka
2012-07-23 17:41           ` Peter Maydell
2012-07-23 17:51             ` Jan Kiszka
2012-07-24  8:56         ` Avi Kivity

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