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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: stefanha@gmail.com, jcody@redhat.com,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, supriyak@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 2/4] block: add live block commit functionality
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 09:07:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5018D5BF.4010805@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5018CD96.3080700@redhat.com>

Il 01/08/2012 08:32, Kevin Wolf ha scritto:
>>>> >>> +enum {
>>>> >>> +    /*
>>>> >>> +     * Size of data buffer for populating the image file.  This should be large
>>>> >>> +     * enough to process multiple clusters in a single call, so that populating
>>>> >>> +     * contiguous regions of the image is efficient.
>>>> >>> +     */
>>>> >>> +    COMMIT_BUFFER_SIZE = 512 * 1024, /* in bytes */
>>>> >>> +};
>>> >>
>>> >> Paolo's latest round of patches got to the point of making this
>>> >> configurable for drive-mirror; is that something you should be copying here?
>> > 
>> > Yes
> Though its use is very limited for live commit. For the mirror it's
> important because a larger number can mean that more data is
> unnecessarily written, and the target can become larger than the source.

Note that the latest version of mirroring has _two_ knobs:

1) granularity is what decides how much data could be written
unnecessarily, because of the dirty bitmap.

2) buffer size is what decides how much I/O is in flight at one time.

The default values are resp. the cluster size (or 64K for raw) and 10M.
 The two together give mirroring some self-tuning capability.  For
example in the first part of the mirroring you will likely proceed in
10M chunks with no concurrency; once you're synchronized, you'll
probably send several chunks, perhaps all 64K if the guest does random
writes.

Live commit as it is done now doesn't need any of this complication; it
is just a background operation that does not need to compete with the
guest.  So using a larger buffer is indeed always better, and 512K is a
nice intermediate value between mirroring's 64K and 10M extremes.

> For live commit, I think using a larger buffer is always better.
> 
> Hm, part of the difference is that I assume that commit uses
> bdrv_is_allocated() to check whether some data must really be copied.
> But then, there's no reason why mirroring couldn't do that as well. Paolo?

We copy a cluster at a time, and that's also the resolution of
bdrv_is_allocated so we wouldn't gain anything.  Nice idea though, I had
to mull about it to find the flaw. :)

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-01  7:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-31  5:16 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/4] Live block commit Jeff Cody
2012-07-31  5:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 1/4] block: add support functions for live commit, to find and delete images Jeff Cody
2012-07-31 17:34   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-31 17:52     ` Jeff Cody
2012-07-31  5:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 2/4] block: add live block commit functionality Jeff Cody
2012-07-31 17:51   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-31 17:55     ` Jeff Cody
2012-08-01  6:32       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-01  7:07         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2012-08-01 11:23           ` Jeff Cody
2012-07-31  5:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 3/4] qerror: new errors for live block commit, QERR_TOP_NOT_FOUND Jeff Cody
2012-07-31 18:35   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-31  5:16 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 4/4] QAPI: add command for live block commit, 'block-commit' Jeff Cody
2012-07-31 18:38   ` Eric Blake
2012-08-14  7:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH 0/4] Live block commit Tiziano Müller
2012-08-29 13:40   ` Jeff Cody

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