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From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: jcody@redhat.com, eblake@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	stefanha@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/47] block: introduce block job error
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2012 15:09:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50192A8D.3000309@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50192182.8070509@redhat.com>

Am 01.08.2012 14:30, schrieb Paolo Bonzini:
> Il 01/08/2012 14:23, Kevin Wolf ha scritto:
>> Am 01.08.2012 14:09, schrieb Paolo Bonzini:
>>> Il 01/08/2012 13:49, Kevin Wolf ha scritto:
>>>>> The real question is: if I remove the possibility to inspect the (so far
>>>>> anonymous) target device with query-block-jobs, how do you read the
>>>>> status of the target device?...
>>>>
>>>> You don't? :-)
>>>
>>> That's a possibility. :)
>>>
>>> You can just report it in the block job.  It's more consistent with the
>>> fact that you got a BLOCK_JOB_ERROR and not a BLOCK_IO_ERROR.  So I
>>> would do:
>>>
>>> +    bdrv_emit_qmp_error_event(job->bs, QEVENT_BLOCK_JOB_ERROR,
>>> +                              action, is_read);
>>
>> Isn't job->bs the source?
> 
> It's not about source vs. target, it's about what block device the _job_
> is attached too.  The source is always going to be special because you
> must do "block-job-resume source".

This whole concept of a block job being attached to a single bs is
flawed. Because in the general case it isn't. And probably it should
have been a BackgroundJob rather than a BlockJob from the beginning,
because I'm sure there are use cases outside the block layer as well.

We really manage to get every single point messed up. :-(

> is_read tells you where the error was.

Rather indirect, but yes, for the mirror it works.

>> Also, if you miss the event (e.g. libvirt crashed), can you still tell
>> which bs caused the error?
> 
> No, but how is it different from "can you still tell which bs in the
> chain caused the error"?  Which you cannot tell anyway even from the
> event parameters we have had so far.

It isn't different. We really should report the exact BDS. In practice,
management tools care about ENOSPC which is always the top-level BDS,
and call the admin for help in other cases. The admin can try manually
which file is at fault, but I suppose he would be very glad to be told
by the error message which file it is.

>> Do we need another BlockJobInfo field for the
>> name (*cough* ;-)) of the failed bs?
>>
>> If I understand it right, error reporting on the source and on the
>> target would be completely symmetrical then, which I think is a good thing.
> 
> Yeah, it would, but job->bs _is_ special anyway.
> 
>> job->bs makes one image special, which isn't really useful for a generic
>> interface. So we should keep the fact that it exists internal and get
>> rid of it sometime.
>>
>>> +    if (action == BDRV_ACTION_STOP) {
>>> +        block_job_pause(job);
>>> +        block_job_iostatus_set_err(job, error);
>>> +        if (bs != job->bs) {
>>> +            bdrv_iostatus_set_err(bs, error);
>>> +        }
>>> +    }
>>>
>>> where the bdrv_iostatus_set_err is mostly to "prepare for the future"
>>> usage of named block devices.
>>
>> Again, I'd make it unconditional to get symmetric behaviour.
> 
> Not possible, because existing clients may expect "iostatus:
> {nospace,failed}" to imply a runstate of "not running (i/o error)".

Did we make such guarantees? Does libvirt actually make use of it?

>>> Hmm, but I'm a bit wary of introducing such a big change now.  We know
>>> what it makes nicer, but we don't know of anything irremediably broken
>>> without them, and we haven't thought enough of any warts it introduces.
>>
>> On the one hand, I can understand your concerns, but on the other hand,
>> introducing an API now and then making such a big change afterwards
>> scares me much more.
> 
> One example of the doubts I have: is iostatus a BlockBackend or a
> BlockDriverState thing?  If it a BlockBackend thing, does the target
> device have an iostatus at all?

I think it's better to have it in BlockDriverState, but in my
imagination the target is a BlockBackend anyway.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-01 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-24 11:03 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/47] Block job improvements for 1.2 Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/47] qapi: generalize documentation of streaming commands Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/47] qerror/block: introduce QERR_BLOCK_JOB_NOT_ACTIVE Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-26 15:26   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-26 15:41     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-26 16:49       ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-07-26 16:59         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-26 17:02           ` Luiz Capitulino
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/47] block: move job APIs to separate files Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-26 15:50   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/47] block: add block_job_query Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-30 14:47   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-30 15:05     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-31  8:47       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-31  8:50         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-02 19:28           ` Jeff Cody
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/47] block: add support for job pause/resume Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/47] qmp: add block-job-pause and block-job-resume Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01  7:42   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/47] qemu-iotests: add test for pausing a streaming operation Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/47] block: rename block_job_complete to block_job_completed Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/47] block: rename BlockErrorAction, BlockQMPEventAction Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/47] block: move BlockdevOnError declaration to QAPI Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/47] block: reorganize io error code Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01  9:30   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-01  9:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/47] block: sort BlockDeviceIoStatus errors by severity Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01  9:44   ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01  9:44   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/47] block: introduce block job error Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-25 17:40   ` Eric Blake
2012-08-01 10:14   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-01 11:17     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01 11:49       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-01 12:09         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01 12:23           ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-01 12:30             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01 13:09               ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2012-08-01 13:21                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01 14:01                   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-01 14:34                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01 14:59                       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-01 15:15                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-06  9:29                           ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-06  9:44                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-06 10:45                               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-06 10:58                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/47] stream: add on-error argument Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-31 18:40   ` Eric Blake
2012-08-01 10:29   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-01 11:11     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01 11:45       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/47] blkdebug: process all set_state rules in the old state Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 20:06   ` Blue Swirl
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/47] qemu-iotests: map underscore to dash in QMP argument names Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/47] qemu-iotests: add tests for streaming error handling Paolo Bonzini
2012-08-01 10:43   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-08-01 11:09     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/47] block: live snapshot documentation tweaks Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/47] block: add bdrv_query_info Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-11 13:07   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-09-11 13:12     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/47] block: add bdrv_query_stats Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/47] block: add bdrv_ensure_backing_file Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-11 13:32   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-09-11 13:46     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-11 13:58       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-09-11 14:10         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-11 15:38           ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 22/47] block: make device optional in BlockInfo Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-11 13:38   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-09-11 13:49     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-11 14:02       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-09-11 14:14         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 23/47] block: add target info to QMP query-blockjobs command Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 24/47] block: introduce new dirty bitmap functionality Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-11 14:57   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-09-11 16:17     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 25/47] block: add block-job-complete Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 26/47] block: introduce BLOCK_JOB_READY event Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 27/47] block: introduce mirror job Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-25 23:02   ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 12:54   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-09-13 14:07     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 28/47] qmp: add drive-mirror command Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-26 23:42   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-27  7:04     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-31  9:26   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-31  9:33     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-31  9:46       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-31 10:02         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-31 10:25           ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-31 10:51             ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-31 11:13               ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-31 11:25                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-31 12:17                   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-07-31 12:52                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-13 13:15   ` Kevin Wolf
2012-09-13 13:24     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-09-13 13:26       ` Kevin Wolf
2012-09-13 13:38         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 29/47] mirror: support querying target file Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 30/47] mirror: implement completion Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 31/47] qemu-iotests: add mirroring test case Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-26 23:46   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-27  7:04     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 32/47] block: forward bdrv_iostatus_reset to block job Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 33/47] mirror: add support for on-source-error/on-target-error Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-27 15:26   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-30 13:29     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 34/47] qmp: add pull_event function Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 35/47] qemu-iotests: add testcases for mirroring on-source-error/on-target-error Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 36/47] host-utils: add ffsl and flsl Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-27 16:05   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-30 13:30     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 37/47] add hierarchical bitmap data type and test cases Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-28 13:26   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-30 13:39     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-30 14:18       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 38/47] block: implement dirty bitmap using HBitmap Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 39/47] block: make round_to_clusters public Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 40/47] mirror: perform COW if the cluster size is bigger than the granularity Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 41/47] block: return count of dirty sectors, not chunks Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 42/47] block: allow customizing the granularity of the dirty bitmap Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 43/47] mirror: allow customizing the granularity Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-28 13:43   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-30 13:40     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-30 13:53       ` Eric Blake
2012-07-30 14:03         ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 44/47] mirror: switch mirror_iteration to AIO Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-28 13:46   ` Eric Blake
2012-07-30 13:41     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 45/47] mirror: add buf-size argument to drive-mirror Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 46/47] mirror: support more than one in-flight AIO operation Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-24 11:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 47/47] mirror: support arbitrarily-sized iterations Paolo Bonzini
2012-07-28 13:51 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/47] Block job improvements for 1.2 Eric Blake

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