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From: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
To: "Søren Sandmann" <sandmann@cs.au.dk>
Cc: "Alon Levy" <alevy@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, spice-devel@freedesktop.org,
	"Søren Sandmann Pedersen" <ssp@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Spice-devel] [PATCH] Add new client_present and client capabilities fields to QXLRom
Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 09:32:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5040688D.5070707@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ye8wr0gtlj0.fsf@llama10.cs.au.dk>

  Hi,

>> Hmm, when the server is able to translate a8 ops into non-a8 ops using
>> server-side rendering, then there is no need to notify the guest about
>> the client capabilities.
> 
> To be clear, this ability doesn't exist at the moment, and it would be a
> significant chunk of work to add it.
> 
>>> But it's much simpler to just say that the guest should stop referring
>>> to a8 surfaces if the client can't handle them.
>>
>> Not sure about that, this move might just shift the complexity from
>> spice-server to the guest qxl driver.
> 
> The ability to handle this is already pretty much present in at least
> the X driver (and I'm pretty sure the Windows driver has it as well)
> because any time something can't be expressed in the SPICE protocol, it
> has to fall back to software rendering. Ie., it has to read all the
> involved surfaces back from video memory, do software rendering, then
> upload the result as an image.
> 
> Dealing with a disappearing ability to handle a8 surfaces would simply
> be a matter of reading back the a8 surfaces to guest RAM and then not
> attempt to acccelerate any operations involving them any more.
> 
> It looks much more involved to do it in spice-server because it would
> probably involve adding a new concept of "emulated surface" that needs
> to be handled specially in a bunch of cases.

Ok, so the tradeoff seems clear.  I trust you on that one, you know the
guest drivers alot better than I do.  Lets go forward with the client
capability notification for the guest, /me awaits a new revision of the
patches.

cheers,
  Gerd

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-31  7:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-27 17:20 [Qemu-devel] Add ability to advertise client capabilities to QXL device Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-08-27 17:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add new client_present and client capabilities fields to QXLRom Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-08-28  6:15   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-29  0:58     ` Søren Sandmann
2012-08-29  6:00       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-29 21:05         ` Søren Sandmann
2012-08-29 10:14       ` [Qemu-devel] [Spice-devel] " Alon Levy
2012-08-29 20:51         ` Søren Sandmann
2012-08-30  5:34           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-30 16:03             ` Søren Sandmann
2012-08-31  7:32               ` Gerd Hoffmann [this message]
2012-09-02 21:35                 ` [Qemu-devel] New patches to add capabilities to spice and qxl Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-09-02 21:35                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH-v2 spice-protocol 1/2] Add A8 surface capability Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-09-02 21:35                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH-v2 spice-protocol 2/2] Add new client_present and client capabilities fields to QXLRom Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-09-02 21:35                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH-v2 spice-gtk] Advertise SPICE_DISPLAY_CAP_A8_SURFACE Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-09-02 21:35                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH-v2 spice 1/2] Set a8 capability in the QXL device if supported by the client Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-09-03  7:34                     ` Alon Levy
2012-09-03 17:33                       ` Søren Sandmann
2012-09-03 17:49                         ` Søren Sandmann
2012-09-03 17:53                           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/5] client: Advertise A8_SURFACE capability Søren Sandmann
2012-09-03 17:53                             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/5] Add new set_client_capabilities() interface to QXLInstance Søren Sandmann
2012-09-03 17:53                             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/5] Process outstanding commands in the ring after changing capability bits Søren Sandmann
2012-09-03 18:31                               ` [Qemu-devel] [Spice-devel] " Alon Levy
2012-09-03 17:53                             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/5] Set a8 capability in the QXL device if supported by the client Søren Sandmann
2012-09-03 17:53                             ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/5] Bump spice.h version number to 0.11.4 Søren Sandmann
2012-09-02 21:35                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH-v2 spice 2/2] " Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-09-02 21:35                   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH-v2 qemu] qxl: Add set_client_capabilities() interface to QXLInterface Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-09-03 17:36                     ` [Qemu-devel] [Spice-devel] " Søren Sandmann
2012-09-03 17:40                       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] " Søren Sandmann
2012-09-03 18:21                         ` Alon Levy
2012-09-04 10:12                     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH-v2 qemu] " Gerd Hoffmann
2012-09-04 14:14                       ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] " Søren Sandmann
2012-09-04 14:14                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] Remove #ifdef QXL_COMMAND_FLAG_COMPAT_16BPP Søren Sandmann
2012-09-04 14:46                         ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/2] qxl: Add set_client_capabilities() interface to QXLInterface Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-27 17:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add new set_client_capabilities() interface to QXLInstance Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-08-27 17:20 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qxl: Add set_client_capabilities() interface to QXLInterface Søren Sandmann Pedersen
2012-08-28  6:19   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2012-08-27 17:20 ` [Qemu-devel] Add ability to advertise client capabilities to QXL device Søren Sandmann Pedersen

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