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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 19:08:20 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <505204F4.3040300@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ehm5or07.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

On 09/13/2012 06:56 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> 
>> Hmm, true. What about hooking into suspend and doing vmstop during
>> suspend. 
> 
> Is suspend the only foreseeable way for this problem to happen?  I don't
> think it is which is what concerns me about any approach that relies on
> "hooking suspend".

No, SIGSTOP/SIGCONT (can hook SIGCONT), gdb (can't hook but is very
rare), ENOSPACE + wait for more space to be provisioned (already known
to qemu), NFS access qemu core on dead server, severe swapstorms.

> Also, I don't think there is a generic way to "hook suspend".

That is what we have Lennart for.

>>> >> This could happen because of stop, host suspend, live migration to a
>>> >> file, etc.
>>> >> 
>>> >> It's much easier for us to call into qemu-ga to do the time correction
>>> >> whenever this event occurs than to try and have libvirt figure out when
>>> >> it's necessary.
>>> > And if guest does not have qemu-ga what is better inject interrupts like
>>> > crazy for next 2 minutes or leave guest with incorrect time?
>>> 
>>> Yes, at least that's fixable by the end-user.  QEMU consuming 100% CPU
>>> for a prolonged period of time isn't fixable.
>>> 
>> You mean yes to "leave guest with incorrect time"? QEMU will still
>> consume 100% of cpu for some time calling qemu_timer callback millions
>> times. timedrift code is not the right level to fix that.
> 
> Not if we put a cap on how many interrupts we'll try to catch up.
> 
> As I mentioned previously, if we acrue more than X number of missed
> ticks, we should simply declare bankruptcy and reset the counter.

If we know we're missing N ticks, we can simply pass N to the handler.

> 
> When that occurs, *if* qemu-ga is present, we should ask qemu-ga to
> reset the guest's clock based on reading the hardware clock via a
> 'guest-resync-time' command.
> 
> If it isn't, time will be off.  Hopefully the guest is running NTP and
> can correct itself.  Otherwise, at least the admin can manually fix the
> time.

There is also the fake S3 (post host resume) that can get the guest to
read its RTC.


-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-09-13 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-12 13:54 [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:21 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 14:44   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:50     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:06     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:42       ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:45         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:16       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 18:19   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 10:49     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 13:14       ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 13:28         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-09-13 14:06           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:22             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 14:34               ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:42                 ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 15:40                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:50                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 15:53                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 18:27                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-16 10:05                           ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-16 14:37                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-19 15:34                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:37                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:44                                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:55                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:57                                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:35               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:48                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 15:51                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:56                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:06                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 18:33                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 18:56                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 20:06                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:08                     ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2012-09-13 13:47         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:27 ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 16:45   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 17:30     ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 18:13       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 19:45         ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-13 10:50           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 20:06       ` Michael Roth
2012-09-12 17:23 ` Luiz Capitulino
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-09-12 18:03 Clemens Kolbitsch
2012-09-13  6:25 ` Paolo Bonzini

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