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From: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
	Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2012 13:05:13 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5055A459.1030909@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87627h7p7n.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

On 09/13/2012 09:27 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>> 
>>> Plus, there's a whole variety of other features enabled once we can
>>> assume qemu-ga is available.  It's worth solving that problem.
>>
>> We can't assume it.  Too many OSes exist, too many guests are already
>> exist and ain't broken, too many vendors are moving into a locked-down
>> model.  I agree it's great and we should take advantage of it, but we
>> can't assume it's there.
> 
> All the same can be said about virtio yet we still add features that
> depend on it.

We don't.  We can boot out-of-the-box guests and they will be fully
functioning without virtio, if slow.

> 
> If there was a better/equivalent solution that didn't depend on qemu-ga,
> I'd be all for it.  But there isn't AFAICT.

Perhaps there is.  We fixed the problem for Linux by adding kvmclock and
backporting it to distros that users are most likely to use.  Windows
fixed the problem by adding their own pv clock interface.  So we need to
implement that, then focus on tick catchup for Windows XP and other
guests with no pv interface (*BSD, etc.)

Those older guests are also less likely to have a qemu-ga port or
administrator motivation to install it.


-- 
error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-16 10:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-12 13:54 [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:21 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 14:44   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:50     ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:06     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:42       ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:45         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:16       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 18:19   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 10:49     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 13:14       ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 13:28         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-09-13 14:06           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:22             ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 14:34               ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:42                 ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 15:40                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:50                     ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 15:53                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 18:27                         ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-16 10:05                           ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2012-09-16 14:37                             ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-19 15:34                               ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:37                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:44                                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:55                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:57                                       ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:35               ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:48                 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 15:51                   ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:56                   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:06                     ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 18:33                       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 18:56                         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 20:06                           ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:08                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 13:47         ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:27 ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 16:45   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 17:30     ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 18:13       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 19:45         ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-13 10:50           ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 20:06       ` Michael Roth
2012-09-12 17:23 ` Luiz Capitulino
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-09-12 18:03 Clemens Kolbitsch
2012-09-13  6:25 ` Paolo Bonzini

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