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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Andreas Faerber <afaerber@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/6] add paravirtualization hwrng support
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 21:51:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <508AE9A6.4060304@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5ea4bbfb-b761-42ef-93f8-7c91fee0bb30@email.android.com>

Il 26/10/2012 21:07, H. Peter Anvin ha scritto:
> This is surreal.  Output from /dev/hwrng turns into output for /dev/random... it us guaranteed worse; period, end of story.

Isn't that exactly what happens in bare-metal?  hwrng -> rngd -> random.  Instead here
we'd have, host hwrng -> virtio-rng-pci -> guest hwrng -> guest rngd -> guest random.

The only difference is that you paravirtualize access to the host hwrng to a) distribute
entropy to multiple guests; b) support migration across hosts with different CPUs and
hardware.

> I don't know who the "agreement" is with, but it is ridiculous in this case.

man 4 random:

       While some safety margin above that minimum is reasonable, as a guard against
       flaws  in the CPRNG algorithm, no cryptographic primitive available today can
       hope to promise more than 256 bits of security, so if any program reads  more
       than  256  bits (32 bytes) from the kernel random pool per invocation, or per
       reasonable reseed interval (not less than one minute), that should  be  taken
       as a sign that its cryptography is not skilfully implemented.

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-26 19:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-26 14:43 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/6] add paravirtualization hwrng support Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/6] vl: add -object option to create QOM objects from the command line Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/6] object: add object_property_add_bool (v2) Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/6] rng: add RndBackend abstract object class Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/6] rng-random: add an RNG backend that uses /dev/random Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/6] rng-egd: introduce EGD compliant RNG backend Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/6] virtio-rng: hardware random number generator device Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 15:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/6] add paravirtualization hwrng support Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 15:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 16:09     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 18:24       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 18:26         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-29  6:23         ` Amit Shah
2012-10-30  4:32           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 18:58       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 19:07         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 19:51           ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2012-10-26 19:54             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 20:29             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-29  8:45               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-30  4:34                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-30  4:43                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-30  9:05                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-30 21:11                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-31  7:29                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 14:15                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-31 14:27                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 18:53     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-29  7:01 ` Amit Shah

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