From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
Andreas Faerber <afaerber@suse.de>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/6] add paravirtualization hwrng support
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:05:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <508F9847.6030702@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <508F5B07.8070008@zytor.com>
Il 30/10/2012 05:43, H. Peter Anvin ha scritto:
> Let me be more specific.
>
> First of all, feeding /dev/urandom to the guest is dangerous -- you are
> feeding it PRNG contents but telling it that it is real entropy. This
> is a security hole.
>
> Second of all, you're doing something pointless: you are still
> exhausting the entropy pool on the host at the same rate, and all you
> end up with is something that isn't what you want. You still have the
> same DoS on the host /dev/random that you're worried about.
>
> Third, you're doing something inefficient: you're running a PRNG in the
> host which could be run more efficiently in guest space.
Either you're not reading what I wrote, or you're confusing me with
someone else.
I *never* mentioned passing /dev/urandom, and in fact I explained to
Anthony that it is wrong. Please take a look at
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/178123
What I said that passing /dev/hwrng or rdrand would:
- not make /dev/random with virtio-rng-pci worse than without
- make migration working
- avoiding denial of service for the host's /dev/random
> From an Intel perspective I guess I should be happy, as it functionally
> would mean that unless you have RDRAND in the host you're insecure, but
> I'd much rather see the Right Thing done.
:)
Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-30 9:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-10-26 14:43 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/6] add paravirtualization hwrng support Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/6] vl: add -object option to create QOM objects from the command line Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/6] object: add object_property_add_bool (v2) Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/6] rng: add RndBackend abstract object class Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/6] rng-random: add an RNG backend that uses /dev/random Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/6] rng-egd: introduce EGD compliant RNG backend Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/6] virtio-rng: hardware random number generator device Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 15:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/6] add paravirtualization hwrng support Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 15:42 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 16:09 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 18:24 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 18:26 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-29 6:23 ` Amit Shah
2012-10-30 4:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 18:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 19:07 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 19:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 19:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 20:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-29 8:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-30 4:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-30 4:43 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-30 9:05 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2012-10-30 21:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-31 7:29 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 14:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-31 14:27 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 18:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-29 7:01 ` Amit Shah
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