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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	Andreas Faerber <afaerber@suse.de>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/6] add paravirtualization hwrng support
Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 10:05:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <508F9847.6030702@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <508F5B07.8070008@zytor.com>

Il 30/10/2012 05:43, H. Peter Anvin ha scritto:
> Let me be more specific.
> 
> First of all, feeding /dev/urandom to the guest is dangerous -- you are
> feeding it PRNG contents but telling it that it is real entropy.  This
> is a security hole.
> 
> Second of all, you're doing something pointless: you are still
> exhausting the entropy pool on the host at the same rate, and all you
> end up with is something that isn't what you want.  You still have the
> same DoS on the host /dev/random that you're worried about.
> 
> Third, you're doing something inefficient: you're running a PRNG in the
> host which could be run more efficiently in guest space.

Either you're not reading what I wrote, or you're confusing me with
someone else.

I *never* mentioned passing /dev/urandom, and in fact I explained to
Anthony that it is wrong.  Please take a look at
http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/178123

What I said that passing /dev/hwrng or rdrand would:

- not make /dev/random with virtio-rng-pci worse than without

- make migration working

- avoiding denial of service for the host's /dev/random


> From an Intel perspective I guess I should be happy, as it functionally
> would mean that unless you have RDRAND in the host you're insecure, but
> I'd much rather see the Right Thing done.

:)

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-30  9:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-26 14:43 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/6] add paravirtualization hwrng support Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/6] vl: add -object option to create QOM objects from the command line Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/6] object: add object_property_add_bool (v2) Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/6] rng: add RndBackend abstract object class Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/6] rng-random: add an RNG backend that uses /dev/random Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 5/6] rng-egd: introduce EGD compliant RNG backend Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 14:43 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 6/6] virtio-rng: hardware random number generator device Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 15:08 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/6] add paravirtualization hwrng support Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 15:42   ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 16:09     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 18:24       ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-26 18:26         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-29  6:23         ` Amit Shah
2012-10-30  4:32           ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 18:58       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 19:07         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 19:51           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 19:54             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-26 20:29             ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-29  8:45               ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-30  4:34                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-30  4:43                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-30  9:05                   ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2012-10-30 21:11                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-31  7:29                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 14:15                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-10-31 14:27                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-26 18:53     ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-29  7:01 ` Amit Shah

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