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From: Liu Yuan <namei.unix@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	MORITA Kazutaka <morita.kazutaka@lab.ntt.co.jp>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] sheepdog: implement direct write semantics
Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 15:56:11 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <50E7DC9B.4080309@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50E7BA41.3020307@gmail.com>

On 01/05/2013 01:29 PM, Liu Yuan wrote:
> On 01/05/2013 12:40 PM, Liu Yuan wrote:
>> On 01/05/2013 12:38 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>> Hi Yuan,
>>> BDRV_O_NOCACHE means bypass host page cache (O_DIRECT).
>>>
>>> BDRV_O_CACHE_WB specifies the cache semantics that the guest sees - that
>>> means whether the disk cache is writethrough or writeback.
>>>
>>> In other words, BDRV_O_NOCACHE is a host performance tweak while
>>> BDRV_O_CACHE_WB changes the cache safety of the BlockDriverState.  A
>>> protocol driver like sheepdog doesn't need to look at BDRV_O_CACHE_WB
>>> because it is implemented in block.c (see bdrv_co_do_writev() where QEMU
>>> will flush when after each write when !bs->enable_write_cache).
>>
>> Hi Stefan,
>>
>>   Thanks for your explanation. But after more investigation, I find
>> myself more confused:
>>
>>                       flags passed from block layer
>>   {writeback, writethrough}      0x2042
>>   {directsync, off, none}        0x2062
>>   {unsafe}                       0x2242
>>
>> So underlying driver like Sheepdog can't depend on 'flags' passed from
>> .bdrv_file_open() to choose the right semantics (This was possible for
>> old QEMU IIRC).
>>
>> If we can't rely on the 'flags' to get the cache indications of users,
>> would you point me how to implement tristate cache control for network
>> block driver like Sheepdog? For e.g, I want to implement following
>> semantics:
>>     cache=writeback|none|off # enable writeback semantics for write
>>     cache=writethrough # enable writethrough semantics for write
>>     cache=directsync # disable cache completely
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Yuan
>>
> 
> I tried the old QEMU and v1.1.0 and v1.1.2, they still worked as I
> expected. So I guess generic block layer got changed a bit and the
> 'flags' meaning turned different than old code, which did indeed allow
> block drivers to interpret the 'flags' passed from bdrv_file_open().
> 
> With the current upstream code, it seems that BDRV_O_CACHE_WB is always
> enabled and makes 'flags' completely unusable for block drivers to get
> the indications of user by specifying 'cache=' field.
> 
> So is there other means to allow block drivers to rely on, in order to
> interpret the 'cache semantics'?
> 

I found the commit:e1e9b0ac 'always open drivers in writeback mode'.
This is really undesired for network block drivers such as Sheepdog,
which implement its own cache mechanism that support
writeback/writethrough/directio behavior and then want to interpret
these flags on its own.

Is there any means for block drivers to get the semantics of 'cache=xxx'
from users?

Thanks,
Yuan

  reply	other threads:[~2013-01-05  7:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-12-19 18:29 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] sheepdog: implement direct write semantics Liu Yuan
2012-12-25  7:47 ` MORITA Kazutaka
2012-12-25  8:26   ` Liu Yuan
2012-12-25  8:45   ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-03 13:43     ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-04 16:38       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-01-05  4:40         ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-05  5:29           ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-05  7:56             ` Liu Yuan [this message]
2013-01-07 12:31               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-01-08  5:28                 ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-07 13:23               ` Kevin Wolf
2013-01-08  5:42                 ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-08  9:40                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-01-08  9:45                     ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-08 10:00                       ` Kevin Wolf
2013-01-08 10:39                         ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-08 10:51                           ` Kevin Wolf
2013-01-08 11:08                             ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-08 11:19                               ` Kevin Wolf
2013-01-08 11:35                                 ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-08 12:12                                   ` Kevin Wolf
2013-01-08 13:18                                     ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-08 13:23                                       ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-09 10:25                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-09 10:36                                         ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-09 10:40                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-09 10:46                                             ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-09 10:58                                               ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-09 11:10                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-09 12:07                                               ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-09 12:10                                                 ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-09 12:16                                                 ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-09 12:42                                                 ` Kevin Wolf
2013-01-09 13:04                                                   ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-09 15:10                                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-10  5:38                                                       ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-11  7:52                                                         ` MORITA Kazutaka
2013-01-11  8:07                                                           ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-11  9:00                                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-11  9:04                                                               ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-11  9:34                                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-11  9:38                                                                   ` Liu Yuan
2013-01-11  9:40                                                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-11  9:32                                                           ` Kevin Wolf
2013-01-10 15:25                                                       ` Jamie Lokier
2013-01-10 15:31                                                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-10 17:22                                                           ` Jamie Lokier
2013-01-09 11:10                                           ` Kevin Wolf
2013-01-09 10:23                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-01-10 15:12                             ` Jamie Lokier
2013-01-10 15:21                               ` Kevin Wolf
2013-01-10  8:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2] " Liu Yuan
2013-01-10  9:04   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-01-11  7:35   ` MORITA Kazutaka
2013-01-11  9:23     ` Kevin Wolf

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