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From: Wenchao Xia <xiawenc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Dietmar Maurer <dietmar@proxmox.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] qmp interface for save vmstate to image
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 18:47:57 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5146F0DD.6060008@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130318090430.GB2476@dhcp-200-207.str.redhat.com>

于 2013-3-18 17:04, Kevin Wolf 写道:
> Am 18.03.2013 um 07:40 hat Wenchao Xia geschrieben:
>> 于 2013-3-15 22:51, Stefan Hajnoczi 写道:
>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 03:24:38PM +0800, Wenchao Xia wrote:
>>>>     I'd like to add a new way to save vmstate, which will based on the
>>>> migration thread, but will write contents to block images, instead
>>>> of fd as stream. Following is the method to add API:
>>>
>>> Hi Wenchao,
>>> What use cases are there besides saving vmstate to a raw image?
>>>
>>> I'm curious if you're proposing this since there is no "file:" URI or
>>> because you really want to do things like saving vmstate into a qcow2
>>> file or over NBD.
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>> Hi, Stefan
>>    Most used cases would be "raw" and "qcow2", which is flex and can be
>> chosen by user. In this way, existing block layer feature in qemu can
>> be used, such as tagging zeros. I haven't check the buffer/cache status
>> in qemu block layer, but if there is, it can also benefit.
>>    User can specify "raw" or "qcow2" according to host configuration, If
>> there is dedicated storage components underlining, he can use "raw" to
>> skip qemu's block layer.
>
> Oh, seems I misread this then. I thought this was about internal live
> snapshots, which is a feature that I consider really useful. I'm not so
> sure if saving the VM state as the disk contents of a qcow2 image is
> really helpful.
>
   Actually I am leaving internal live snapshot as 2nd step since there
are a bit more work to do when using migration thread, since SPICE
is handled in migration but not in internal snapshot.
   The main purpose is getting a standalone vmstate saving file with
limited size, since internal snapshot lacks a API now to drop vmstate
at any time.(better to have API to export vmstate/delta block data).

> If zero clusters help a lot, then there's clearly something to improve
> in the migration protocol, because it shouldn't send so many zeros in
> the first place.
>
  In streaming case, zero are good encoded now I think, but when it uses
fseek(), there may be some zeros inside, and small writes. Handling
those are likely block layer's job, by using image I can directly use
qemu's block layer with qcow2 format, or using raw if underline
component there, make it flex.

> Kevin
>


-- 
Best Regards

Wenchao Xia

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-18 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-15  7:24 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] qmp interface for save vmstate to image Wenchao Xia
2013-03-15 14:51 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-18  6:40   ` Wenchao Xia
2013-03-18  9:04     ` Kevin Wolf
2013-03-18 10:08       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 10:50         ` Wenchao Xia
2013-03-18 10:47       ` Wenchao Xia [this message]
2013-03-18 10:09     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-18 13:28 ` Pavel Hrdina
2013-03-21  6:43   ` Wenchao Xia
2013-03-21 11:48     ` Pavel Hrdina
2013-03-21 13:38       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-21 13:42         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-21 13:53           ` Pavel Hrdina
2013-03-21 14:56           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-03-21 15:08             ` Eric Blake
2013-03-23  4:36               ` Wenchao Xia
2013-03-27  3:35                 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-03-21 13:43         ` Pavel Hrdina

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