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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Michael R. Hines" <mrhines@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: aliguori@us.ibm.com, mst@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	owasserm@redhat.com, abali@us.ibm.com, mrhines@us.ibm.com,
	gokul@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 08/10] introduce QEMUFileRDMA
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 14:45:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51486C0D.2040609@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51486AD0.80309@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

Il 19/03/2013 14:40, Michael R. Hines ha scritto:
> On 03/19/2013 09:25 AM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> Yes, the drain needs to happen in a few places already:
>>
>> 1. During save_rdma_page (if the current "chunk" is full of pages)
>> Ok, this is internal to RDMA so no problem.
>>
>>> 2. During the end of each iteration (now using qemu_fflush in my current
>>> patch)
>> Why?
> 
> This is because of downtime: You have to drain the queue anyway at the
> very end, and if you don't drain it in advance after each iteration, then
> the queue will have lots of bytes in it waiting for transmission and the
> Virtual Machine will be stopped for a much longer period of time during
> the last iteration waiting for RDMA card to finish transmission of all
> those
> bytes.

Shouldn't the "current chunk full" case take care of it too?

Of course if you disable chunking you have to add a different condition,
perhaps directly into save_rdma_page.

> If you wait till the last iteration to do this, then all of that waiting time gets
> counted as downtime, causing the VCPUs to be unnecessarily stopped.
> 
>>> 3. And also during qemu_savem_state_complete(), also using qemu_fflush.
>> This would be caught by put_buffer, but (2) would not.
>>
> 
> I'm not sure this is good enough either - we don't want to flush
> the queue *frequently*..... only when it's necessary for performance
> .... we do want the queue to have some meat to it so the hardware
> can write bytes as fast as possible.....
> 
> If we flush inside put_buffer (which is called very frequently):

Is it called at any time during RAM migration?

> then we have no way to distinquish *where* put buffer was called from
> (either from qemu_savevm_state_complete() or from a device-level
> function call that's using QEMUFile).

Can you make drain a no-op if there is nothing in flight?  Then every
call to put_buffer after the first should not have any overhead.

Paolo

>>>> Yes, I am suggesting to modify f->pos in save_rdma_page instead.
>>>>
>>>> Paolo
>>>>
>>> Would that not confuse the other QEMUFile users?
>>> If I change that pointer (without actually putting bytes
>>> in into QEMUFile), won't the f->pos pointer be
>>> incorrectly updated?
>> f->pos is never used directly by QEMUFile, it is almost an opaque value.
>>   It is accumulated on every qemu_fflush (so that it can be passed to the
>> ->put_buffer function), and returned by qemu_ftell; nothing else.
>>
>> If you make somehow save_rdma_page a new op, returning a value from that
>> op and adding it to f->pos would be a good way to achieve this.
> 
> Ok, great - I'll take advantage of that........Thanks.
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-19 13:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-18  3:18 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 00/10] cleaner ramblocks and documentation mrhines
2013-03-18  3:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 01/10] ./configure --enable-rdma mrhines
2013-03-18  3:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 02/10] check for CONFIG_RDMA mrhines
2013-03-18  3:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 03/10] more verbose documentation of the RDMA transport mrhines
2013-03-18 10:40   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-18 20:24     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-18 21:26       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-18 23:23         ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19  8:19           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-19 13:21             ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 15:08             ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 15:16               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-19 15:32                 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 15:36                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-19 17:09                     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 17:14                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 17:23                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-19 17:40                         ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 17:52                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 18:04                             ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-20 13:07                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-20 15:15                               ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-20 15:22                                 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-20 15:55                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-20 16:08                                   ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-20 19:06                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-20 20:20                                       ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-20 20:31                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-20 20:39                                           ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-20 20:46                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-20 20:56                                               ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-21  5:20                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-20 20:24                                   ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-20 20:37                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-20 20:45                                       ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-20 20:52                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-19 17:49                         ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-21  6:11                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-21 15:22                             ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-05 20:45                             ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-05 20:46                             ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-18  3:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 04/10] iterators for getting the RAMBlocks mrhines
2013-03-18  8:48   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 20:25     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-18  3:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 05/10] reuse function for parsing the QMP 'migrate' string mrhines
2013-03-18  3:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 06/10] core RDMA migration code (rdma.c) mrhines
2013-03-18  3:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 07/10] connection-establishment for RDMA mrhines
2013-03-18  8:56   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 20:26     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-18  3:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 08/10] introduce QEMUFileRDMA mrhines
2013-03-18  9:09   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 20:33     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19  9:18       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 13:12         ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 13:25           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 13:40             ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 13:45               ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-03-19 14:10                 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 14:22                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 15:02                     ` [Qemu-devel] [Bug]? (RDMA-related) ballooned memory not consulted during migration? Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 15:12                       ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 15:17                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-19 18:27                     ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 08/10] introduce QEMUFileRDMA Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 18:40                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-20 15:20                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-20 16:09                           ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-18  3:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 09/10] check for QMP string and bypass nonblock() calls mrhines
2013-03-18  8:47   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18 20:37     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19  9:23       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-19 13:08         ` Michael R. Hines
2013-03-19 13:20           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-03-18  3:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v4: 10/10] send pc.ram over RDMA mrhines

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