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From: Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	Corey Bryant <coreyb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Joel Schopp <jschopp@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] vNVRAM / blobstore design
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 18:20:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5150CDA8.3020300@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ehf3nnja.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

On 03/25/2013 06:05 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.vnet.ibm.com> writes:
>
>> [argh, just posted this to qemu-trivial -- it's not trivial]
>>
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>> I am posting this message to revive the previous discussions about the
>> design of vNVRAM / blobstore cc'ing (at least) those that participated
>> in this discussion 'back then'.
>>
>> The first goal of the implementation is to provide an vNVRAM storage for
>> a software implementation of a TPM to store its different blobs into.
>> Some of the data that the TPM writes into persistent memory needs to
>> survive a power down / power up cycle of a virtual machine, therefore
>> this type of persistent storage is needed. For the vNVRAM not to become
>> a road-block for VM migration, we would make use of block device
>> migration and layer the vNVRAM on top of the block device, therefore
>> using virtual machine images for storing the vNVRAM data.
>>
>> Besides the TPM blobs the vNVRAM should of course also be able able to
>> accommodate other use cases where persistent data is stored into
>> NVRAM,
> Well let's focus more on the "blob store".  What are the semantics of
> this?  Is there a max number of blobs?  Are the sizes fixed or variable?
> How often are new blobs added/removed?

In case of TPM 1.2 there are 3 blobs that can be written at different 
times for different reasons.

Examples: As with a real-world TPM users loading an owner-evict key into 
the TPM will cause the TPM to write that owner-evict key into is own 
NVRAM. This key survives a power-off of the machine. Further, the TPM 
models its own NVRAM slots. Someone writing into this type of memory 
will cause data to be written into the NVRAM. There are other commands 
that the TPM offers that will cause data to be written into NVRAM which 
users can invoke at any time.

The sizes of the NVRAM blobs of the TPM at least vary in size but I 
handle this in the TPM emulation to pad them to fixed size. Depending on 
how many such owner-evict keys are loaded into the TPM its permanent 
state blob size may vary. Other devices may act differently.

We have a-priori knowledge about  the 3 different types of blobs the TPM 
device produces. They are 'registered' once at the beginning (see API) 
and are not 'removed' as such.

Regards,
     Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-25 22:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-25 21:39 [Qemu-devel] vNVRAM / blobstore design Stefan Berger
2013-03-25 22:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-25 22:20   ` Stefan Berger [this message]
2013-03-27 15:17     ` Corey Bryant
2013-03-27 15:20       ` Corey Bryant
2013-03-27 15:30         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-27 16:07           ` mdroth
2013-03-27 15:43         ` Kenneth Goldman
2013-03-27 15:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-27 16:12             ` Joel Schopp
2013-03-27 16:46               ` Stefan Berger
2013-03-27 17:14                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-27 17:27                   ` Stefan Berger
2013-03-27 18:27                     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-27 19:12                       ` Stefan Berger
2013-03-28 16:11                         ` Stefan Berger
2013-03-28 16:31                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-28 17:02                             ` Stefan Berger
2013-03-28 17:27                           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-28 17:36                             ` Stefan Berger
2013-03-28 17:39                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-29 13:55                               ` Stefan Berger
2013-03-29 15:12                                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-03-29 17:33                           ` Kenneth Goldman
2013-03-31  8:17                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-31 20:48                               ` Kenneth Goldman
2013-04-02 12:06                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-02 13:24                                   ` Kenneth Goldman
2013-04-02 13:37                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-27 18:04                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-03-27 16:20             ` Kenneth Goldman

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