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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Michael R. Hines" <mrhines@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: aliguori@us.ibm.com, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, owasserm@redhat.com, abali@us.ibm.com,
	mrhines@us.ibm.com, gokul@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 10/13] introduce new command migrate_check_for_zero
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 17:08:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5166D1DA.3050804@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5166CF56.2060105@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

Il 11/04/2013 16:57, Michael R. Hines ha scritto:
> We have hardware already with front side bus speeds of 13 GB/s.
> 
> We also already have 5 GB/s RDMA hardware, and we will likely
> have even faster RDMA hardware in the future.
> 
> This analysis is not factoring into account the cycles it takes to
> map the pages before they are checked for duplicate bytes,

Do you mean the TLB misses?

> regardless whether or not very little of the page is actually
> cached on the processor.
> 
> This analysis is also not taking into account the possibility that the
> VM may be CPU-bound at the same time that QEMU is competing
> to execute is_dup_page().

is_dup_page() is memory-bound, not CPU-bound.  Note that is_dup_page
only needs 1% of the bandwidth it scans (32 bytes for a cache line out
of 4096 bytes/page).  Scanning 30 GB/s only requires reading 250 MB/s
from memory to the FSB.

> Thus, as you mentioned, a worst-case 5 GB/s memory bandwidth
> for is_dup_page() could be very easily reached given the right
> conditions - and we do have many workloads both HPC and Multi-tier
> which can easily cause QEMU's zero scanning performance to suffer.

These are the real world scenarios that I was talking about.  Do you
have profiles of these, with the latest QEMU code, that show
is_dup_page() to be expensive?

We could try prefetching the first cache line *of the next page* before
running is_dup_page.  There's a lot of things to test before giving up
and inventing a new API.

Paolo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-04-11 15:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-04-10 22:28 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v7: 00/13] rdma cleanup and reordering mrhines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 01/13] introduce qemu_ram_foreach_block() mrhines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 02/13] Core RMDA logic mrhines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 03/13] RDMA is enabled by default per the usual ./configure testing mrhines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 04/13] update QEMUFileOps with new hooks mrhines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 05/13] accessor function prototypes for new QEMUFileOps hooks mrhines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 06/13] implementation of " mrhines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 07/13] introduce capability for dynamic chunk registration mrhines
2013-04-11  2:24   ` Eric Blake
2013-04-11  2:39     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 08/13] default chunk registration to true mrhines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 09/13] parse QMP string for new 'rdma' protocol mrhines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 10/13] introduce new command migrate_check_for_zero mrhines
2013-04-11  2:26   ` Eric Blake
2013-04-11  2:39     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11  7:52       ` Orit Wasserman
2013-04-11 12:30         ` Eric Blake
2013-04-11 12:36           ` Orit Wasserman
2013-04-11 17:53             ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11  3:11     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11  7:38   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11  9:18     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 11:13       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 13:19         ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 13:51           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 14:06             ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 14:17               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 14:35                 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 14:45                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 15:37                     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 13:24       ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 14:15         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 14:45           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 14:57           ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 15:01             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 15:08             ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-04-11 15:35               ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 15:45                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 16:02                   ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 16:12                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 16:07                   ` Eric Blake
2013-04-11 16:29                     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 16:36                       ` Eric Blake
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 11/13] send pc.ram over RDMA mrhines
2013-04-11  6:26   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 12:41     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 12/13] updated protocol documentation mrhines
2013-04-11  2:43   ` Eric Blake
2013-04-11  2:47     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11  6:29   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-10 22:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v1: 13/13] print out migration throughput while debugging mrhines
2013-04-10 22:32 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v7: 00/13] rdma cleanup and reordering Michael R. Hines

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