From: "Michael R. Hines" <mrhines@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: aliguori@us.ibm.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org, owasserm@redhat.com,
abali@us.ibm.com, mrhines@us.ibm.com, gokul@us.ibm.com,
pbonzini@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 03/12] comprehensive protocol documentation
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2013 11:18:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5166D460.2070106@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130411143718.GC24942@redhat.com>
First of all, this whole argument should not even exist for the
following reason:
Page registrations are supposed to be *rare* - once a page is registered, it
is registered for life. There is nothing in the design that says a page must
be "unregistered" and I do not believe anybody is proposing that.
Second, this means that my previous analysis showing that performance
was reduced
was also incorrect because most of the RDMA transfers were against pages
during
the bulk phase round, which incorrectly makes dynamic page registration
look bad.
I should have done more testing *after* the bulk phase round,
and I apologize for not doing that.
Indeed when I do such a test (with the 'stress' command) the cost of
page registration disappears
because most of the registrations have already completed a long time ago.
Thanks, Paolo for reminding us about the bulk-phase behavior to being with.
Third, this means that optimizing this protocol would not be helpful and
that we should
follow the "keep it simple" approach because during steady-state phase
of the migration
most of the pages should have already been registered.
- Michael
On 04/11/2013 10:37 AM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> Answer above.
>
> Here's how things are supposed to work in a pipeline:
>
> req -> registration request
> res -> response
> done -> rdma done notification (remote can unregister)
> pgX -> page, or chunk, or whatever unit is used
> for registration
> rdma -> one or more rdma write requests
>
>
>
> pg1 -> pin -> req -> res -> rdma -> done
> pg2 -> pin -> req -> res -> rdma -> done
> pg3 -> pin -> req -> res -> rdma -> done
> pg4 -> pin -> req -> res -> rdma -> done
> pg4 -> pin -> req -> res -> rdma -> done
>
>
>
> It's like a assembly line see? So while software does the registration
> roundtrip dance, hardware is processing rdma requests for previous
> chunks.
>
> ....
>
> When do you have to stall? when you run out of rx buffer credits so you
> can not start a new req. Your protocol has 2 outstanding buffers,
> so you can only have one req in the air. Do more and
> you will not need to stall - possibly at all.
>
> One other minor point is that your protocol requires extra explicit
> ready commands. You can pass the number of rx buffers as extra payload
> in the traffic you are sending anyway, and reduce that overhead.
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-11 15:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-04-09 3:04 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 00/12] new formal protocol design mrhines
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 01/12] ./configure with and without --enable-rdma mrhines
2013-04-09 17:05 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-09 18:07 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 02/12] check for CONFIG_RDMA mrhines
2013-04-09 16:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 03/12] comprehensive protocol documentation mrhines
2013-04-10 5:27 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-10 13:04 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-10 13:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-10 15:29 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-10 17:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-10 20:05 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 7:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 13:12 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 13:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 13:58 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 14:37 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 14:50 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 14:56 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 17:49 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 19:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 20:33 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-12 10:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-12 10:53 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-12 11:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-12 14:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-14 11:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-14 14:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-14 14:40 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-14 14:27 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-14 16:03 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-14 16:07 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-14 16:40 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-14 18:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-14 19:06 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-14 21:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-15 1:06 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-15 6:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-15 13:07 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-15 22:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-15 8:28 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-15 13:08 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-15 8:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-12 13:47 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-14 8:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-14 14:31 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-14 18:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-14 19:43 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-14 21:16 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-15 1:10 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-15 6:10 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-15 8:34 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-15 13:24 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-15 13:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-15 19:55 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 15:01 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 15:18 ` Michael R. Hines [this message]
2013-04-11 15:33 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 15:46 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 15:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 15:58 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 16:06 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-12 5:10 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-12 5:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-12 5:54 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 15:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 16:09 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 17:04 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-11 17:27 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-11 16:13 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 04/12] introduce qemu_ram_foreach_block() mrhines
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 05/12] core RDMA migration logic w/ new protocol mrhines
2013-04-09 16:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 06/12] connection-establishment for RDMA mrhines
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 07/12] additional savevm.c accessors " mrhines
2013-04-09 17:03 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-09 17:31 ` Peter Maydell
2013-04-09 18:04 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 08/12] new capabilities added and check for QMP string 'rdma' mrhines
2013-04-09 17:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-10 1:11 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-10 8:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-10 10:35 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-10 12:24 ` Michael R. Hines
2013-04-09 17:02 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 09/12] transmit pc.ram using RDMA mrhines
2013-04-09 16:50 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 10/12] new header file prototypes for savevm.c mrhines
2013-04-09 16:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 11/12] update schema to define new capabilities mrhines
2013-04-09 16:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-09 3:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 12/12] don't set nonblock on invalid file descriptor mrhines
2013-04-09 16:45 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-09 4:24 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH RDMA support v5: 00/12] new formal protocol design Michael R. Hines
2013-04-09 12:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-04-09 14:23 ` Michael R. Hines
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