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From: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	patches@linaro.org, qemu-trivial@nongnu.org,
	John Rigby <john.rigby@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Libvirt <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] [PATCH] qapi-schema.json: Reformat TargetType enum to one-per-line
Date: Sat, 25 May 2013 14:31:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51A0AF24.3020704@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA-pQXbnwUy_=HOA3JLriT4uz7vP-srNUKeXB6bYBxCj0w@mail.gmail.com>

Am 25.05.2013 11:18, schrieb Peter Maydell:
> On 24 May 2013 22:38, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com> wrote:
>> I think knowing the architecture (such as x86 vs. pseries ppc) is used
>> by libvirt to know what default devices the board supports (for example,
>> whether usb is present by default).
> 
> ...but this is a per-board question, since (for instance) some
> ARM boards have USB and some do not, some have PCI and some
> do not, and so on.

If we look beyond what we have at the moment, then Anthony has been
promoting the idea of having boards potentially be just a config file
wiring up QOM devices. I.e., the distro or user would be able to have
random boards with a number of devices on them.

In that very general case, much like our boards today, the question of
can-I-attach-a-certain-device-on-a-bus becomes: Can a solver come up
with a path from any device on the board to a device exposing the
required bus.
E.g., if there is either some USB host interface on SysBus or a PCI host
bridge and either a PCI-USB bridge plugged or available to plug, USB
devices can be offered - which would then dynamically rule out
s390-virtio and s390-ccw-virtio without hardcoding anything in libvirt.

Problem is, our devices often have no static way of telling what busses
they will/may provide*, so instantiating would often be the only way to
find out.

* Well, pci-host-bridge as base type might indicate PCIBus to a human,
but ISABus, USBBus and other bridges have non-telling base types.

>> There's probably still room for
>> improvement for communication between libvirt and qemu on what exactly
>> is being supported, and knowing an architecture type may be too broad of
>> a knob compared to what is really wanted, except that I don't have a
>> good handle on what is really wanted.

Knowing the provided architecture would today give us hints what -cpu
options may be supported. That becomes moot in a future
multi-architecture case though, where devices might be constructed from
config or some generic object-create QMP command with qom-set for device
options.

> It does sound like we could use a more specific enquiry mechanism.

Ack, but sadly qemu-system-foo -M bar -S + qom-list + qom-list-types is
the most accurate interface I can think of today.

Andreas

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  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-25 12:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-20 16:21 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qapi-schema.json: Reformat TargetType enum to one-per-line Peter Maydell
2013-05-20 16:35 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-20 16:38   ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-20 17:14     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 13:15   ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-22 13:50     ` Andreas Färber
2013-05-22 14:28       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-22 14:34         ` [Qemu-devel] New targets (was: [PATCH] qapi-schema.json: Reformat TargetType enum to one-per-line) Andreas Färber
2013-05-22 14:48           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-22 15:33             ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-22 16:10               ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-22 13:51     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qapi-schema.json: Reformat TargetType enum to one-per-line Peter Maydell
2013-05-22 14:29       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-22 14:38         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-24 21:38         ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Eric Blake
2013-05-25  9:18           ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-25 12:31             ` Andreas Färber [this message]
2013-05-20 16:41 ` [Qemu-devel] " Eric Blake
2013-05-20 16:47   ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-20 16:57     ` Eric Blake
2013-05-20 17:05       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-22 13:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-22 13:38   ` Peter Maydell

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