From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
Cc: Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, David Gibson <david@gibson.dropbear.id.au>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/30] memory: add address_space_translate
Date: Mon, 27 May 2013 12:45:43 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51A33957.4000904@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA_o4X2u7EgOCR6S+T1n6S-2bG+syzvhiGATaWvxE2ztkw@mail.gmail.com>
Il 27/05/2013 12:33, Peter Maydell ha scritto:
> On 27 May 2013 09:19, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
>> Il 27/05/2013 09:23, Jan Kiszka ha scritto:
>>> Err, why? Will we emulate IOMMUs for TCG differently?
>>
>> Because IOMMUs should never be added to address_space_memory.
>>
>> TCG should only encounter an IOMMU during device emulation (DMA), not
>> because of reads/writes from the CPU. So the IOTLBs should never point
>> to an IOMMU region.
>
> This seems a slightly dubious assumption to me. For instance
> here's a sample system diagram that puts a Cortex-M3 CPU
> behind an IOMMU (the MMU-500 dotted line):
> http://www.arm.com/images/CoreLink_MMU-500_in_System.jpg
> Admittedly we're a long way from being able to model that
> since we don't support multiple CPUs in one system yet.
It is possible to do it.
One way is to add IOMMU handling to the memory dispatch routines. This
was present in Avi's patches. With the changes to propagate errors
through MMIO dispatch it raises some interesting points WRT
time-of-check-to-time-of-use (we need to ensure the translation is only
done once and reused), but it should be doable and anyway isn't the
biggest problem. The biggest problem is that, I think, this wouldn't
work because all accesses including reading code would be treated as MMIO.
A second way is to use the IOMMU notifiers to flush the CPU TLB entry
whenever the corresponding IOMMU entry changes. This is probably not
what hardware does, but it is faster and doesn't have the problem of
code accesses. The previous versions I sent do this, except I didn't
have the IOMMU notifiers yet.
As in other cases, I prefer no code to untested code. The design is
sane (it isn't mine, so I can say it :)) and we know it can be done.
> Can we have an assertion if you try to add an IOMMU to
> the CPU's view of memory, so it's obvious if we ever do
> run into this case?
Almost, I have an assertion that triggers if tlb_set_page would be
handed out an IOMMU region.
Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-05-27 10:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-05-21 10:57 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/30] Introduction of IOMMUs into the memory API Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/30] exec: remove obsolete comment Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 11:36 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/30] exec: eliminate qemu_put_ram_ptr Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 11:38 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/30] exec: make qemu_get_ram_ptr private Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 11:38 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/30] exec: eliminate stq_phys_notdirty Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 17:32 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-23 19:18 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-23 19:22 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 23:14 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/30] memory: assert that PhysPageEntry's ptr does not overflow Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 17:36 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/30] memory: allow memory_region_find() to run on non-root memory regions Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 17:52 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/30] memory: Replace open-coded memory_region_is_romd Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 11:54 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/30] memory: Rename readable flag to romd_mode Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/30] memory: do not duplicate memory_region_destructor_none Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 11:55 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/30] memory: make memory_global_sync_dirty_bitmap take an AddressSpace Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 11:56 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-23 1:05 ` David Gibson
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/30] memory: fix address space initialization/destruction Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 11:58 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/30] s390x: reduce TARGET_PHYS_ADDR_SPACE_BITS to 62 Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/30] memory: limit sections in the radix tree to the actual address space size Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 12:02 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/30] memory: create FlatView for new address spaces Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 12:03 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/30] memory: add address_space_valid Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 12:05 ` David Gibson
2013-05-23 14:22 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-23 14:43 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:04 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-24 6:13 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-24 10:28 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-24 10:50 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-24 11:02 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-24 8:02 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-24 10:52 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-24 12:58 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-24 13:27 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-24 13:33 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-24 13:38 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-25 3:44 ` David Gibson
2013-05-25 9:23 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-26 13:02 ` David Gibson
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/30] memory: clean up phys_page_find Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:06 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/30] memory: add address_space_translate Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 7:09 ` liu ping fan
2013-05-23 9:59 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 13:06 ` liu ping fan
2013-05-23 13:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:15 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-25 6:40 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-25 7:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-25 10:19 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-25 11:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-25 11:30 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-26 8:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-26 9:02 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-27 7:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-27 7:23 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-27 8:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-27 8:37 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-27 10:33 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-27 10:45 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-05-27 11:33 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-26 9:01 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-26 9:12 ` Jan Kiszka
2013-05-26 18:23 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/30] memory: add return value to address_space_rw/read/write Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:18 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/30] memory: Introduce address_space_lookup_region Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:19 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/30] memory: iommu support Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:24 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/30] memory: Add iommu map/unmap notifiers Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:27 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-23 19:24 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29 4:08 ` David Gibson
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 22/30] vfio: abort if an emulated iommu is used Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 23/30] spapr: convert TCE API to use an opaque type Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 24/30] spapr: make IOMMU translation go through IOMMUTLBEntry Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 25/30] spapr: use memory core for iommu support Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 26/30] dma: eliminate old-style IOMMU support Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:31 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 27/30] pci: use memory core for iommu support Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:36 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-23 21:22 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 28/30] spapr_vio: take care of creating our own AddressSpace/DMAContext Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 29/30] dma: eliminate DMAContext Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:40 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-21 10:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 30/30] memory: give name to every AddressSpace Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:46 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-22 2:30 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/30] Introduction of IOMMUs into the memory API Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-05-22 9:24 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 17:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 17:25 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-23 17:30 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-23 18:47 ` Peter Maydell
2013-05-24 14:12 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-05-24 14:20 ` Paolo Bonzini
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