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From: Peter Lieven <pl@kamp.de>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] sanitize memory on system reset
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:23:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51B9D5FB.10801@kamp.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8761xi7016.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>

On 13.06.2013 12:55, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Peter Lieven <pl@kamp.de> writes:
>
>> On 13.06.2013 10:40, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 08:09:09AM +0200, Peter Lieven wrote:
>>>> I was thinking if it would be a good idea to zeroize all memory
>>>> resources on system reset and
>>>> madvise dontneed them afterwards. This would avoid system reset
>>>> attacks in case the attacker
>>>> has only access to the console of a vServer but not on the physical
>>>> host and it would shrink
>>>> RSS size of the vServer siginificantly.
>>> I wonder if you'll hit weird OS installers or PXE clients that rely on
>>> stashing stuff in memory across reset.
>> One point:
>> Wouldn't a memory test which some systems do at startup break these as well?
> Systems that distinguish between warm and cold boot (such as PCs)
> generally run POST only on cold boot.
>
> I'm not saying triggering warm reboot and expecting memory contents to
> survive is a good idea, but it has been done.
so you would vote for not touching it or at least enable it only through
a cmdline paramter?

Peter

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-13 14:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-13  6:09 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] sanitize memory on system reset Peter Lieven
2013-06-13  8:40 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-06-13  8:46   ` Peter Lieven
2013-06-14 11:06     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-06-13  8:51   ` Peter Lieven
2013-06-13 10:55     ` Markus Armbruster
2013-06-13 11:56       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-06-13 12:30         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-06-14  6:56         ` Christian Borntraeger
2013-06-14  9:44           ` Alexander Graf
2013-06-14 13:43             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-06-17  7:18               ` Peter Lieven
2013-06-14 16:14             ` H. Peter Anvin
2013-06-13 14:23       ` Peter Lieven [this message]
2013-06-13 15:51         ` Markus Armbruster
2013-06-13 19:20           ` Peter Lieven
2013-06-13  9:22 ` Andreas Färber
2013-06-13  9:33   ` Peter Lieven

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