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From: Wenchao Xia <xiawenc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	dietmar@proxmox.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] export internal snapshot by qemu-nbd
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 17:03:15 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E900D3.30705@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130718054350.GE26971@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com>

于 2013-7-18 13:43, Stefan Hajnoczi 写道:
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:03:51PM +0800, Wenchao Xia wrote:
>> This series allow user to read internal snapshot's contents without qemu-img
>> convert. Another purpose is that, when qemu is online and have taken an
>> internal snapshot, let user invoke qemu-nbd to do any thing on it except write.
>
> I agree with Eric and Kevin that we cannot access image files while QEMU
> has them open.
>
> A bit more detail about using the run-time NBD server to do this safely:
>
> Internal snapshots are not first-class block layer objects today.  They
> are not BlockDriverStates, instead you must access their data through
> bdrv_snapshot_goto() or bdrv_snapshot_load_tmp().
>
   Also cc to Fam Zheng an Kevin:
   I think BlockDriverStates modification, is based on a more basic
question: does qcow2's data structure on disk, allow multiple snapshot
reader, while one active writer, without lock? I think the modification
showed above, already said "yes" to this question. If yes, just
create a new BlockDriverStates, we should say yes in spec.
   I wonder how vmdk allow direct snapshot access by VixDiskLib 1.1,
without network expense on host, it should be the format said support
of it.




> The problem with these functions is that they use the BlockDriverState.
> So the guest cannot write to the main image while an internal snapshot
> is loaded.
>
> This can be solved by introducing a function that creates a read-only
> internal snapshot BlockDriverState which is partially independent of the
> main image BlockDriverState that the guest is accessing.
>
> The challenge is implementing this cleanly:
>
> 1. The lifecycle of the main image BlockDriverState and the read-only
>     internal snapshot BlockDriverState is related.  What happens when the
>     main image BDS is deleted but the snapshot BDS is still alive?  What
>     happens when bdrv_snapshot_delete() is called while the BDS snapshot
>     exists?
>
> 2. At what level should resources like the bs->file and metadata caches
>     (L1/L2/refcount) be shared?  If they are shared it's easy to keep
>     them consistent but makes lifecycle handling harder.
>
> Stefan
>


-- 
Best Regards

Wenchao Xia

  reply	other threads:[~2013-07-19  9:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-17 14:03 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] export internal snapshot by qemu-nbd Wenchao Xia
2013-07-17 14:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] snapshot: distinguish id and name in load_tmp Wenchao Xia
2013-07-17 14:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/4] qemu-nbd: support internal snapshot export Wenchao Xia
2013-07-17 14:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] qemu-nbd: add doc for " Wenchao Xia
2013-07-26  8:11   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-29  1:57     ` Wenchao Xia
2013-07-29  7:39       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-17 14:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 4/4] qemu-iotests: add 057 internal snapshot export with qemu-nbd case Wenchao Xia
2013-07-17 14:23 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] export internal snapshot by qemu-nbd Eric Blake
2013-07-17 15:21   ` Kevin Wolf
2013-07-18  2:28     ` Wenchao Xia
2013-07-18  7:15       ` Fam Zheng
2013-07-19  6:29   ` Wenchao Xia
2013-07-19  8:20     ` Kevin Wolf
2013-07-22  5:20   ` Wenchao Xia
2013-07-18  5:43 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-19  9:03   ` Wenchao Xia [this message]
2013-07-19  9:19     ` Kevin Wolf
2013-07-19 10:02       ` Wenchao Xia
2013-07-22  2:10     ` Fam Zheng
2013-07-22  3:26       ` Wenchao Xia
2013-07-25  2:30 ` Wenchao Xia
2013-07-25  8:06   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-26  2:23     ` Wenchao Xia
2013-07-26  8:20       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-07-29  2:05         ` Wenchao Xia

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