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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	aliguori@us.ibm.com, mst@redhat.com, hutao@cn.fujitsu.com,
	libvir-list@redhat.com, marcel.a@redhat.com,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kraxel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] pvpanic device should not be automatically included as an internal device
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2013 00:23:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51FADFEB.1080804@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51FA8C4D.70308@redhat.com>

On 08/01/2013 06:26 PM, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 08/01/2013 08:18 AM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>> On 08/01/13 15:08, Marcel Apfelbaum wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> The problem with pvpanic being an internal device is that VMs running
>>> operating systems without a driver for this device will have problems
>>> when qemu will be upgraded (from qemu without this pvpanic).
>>>
>>> The outcome may be, for example: in Windows(let's say XP) the Device manager
>>> will open a "new device" wizard and the device will appear as an unrecognized device.
>>
>> Only happens when also changing the machine type on upgrade as it is
>> turned off on old machine types.
>>
>> But, yes, pvpanic will show up as "Unknown device" without driver and
>> with the funky yellow exclamation mark in device manager in windows
>> guests.  Newer windows versions don't kick the "new device" wizard.  But
>> still I have my doubts that it is a good idea to add it unconditionally ...
>
> Automatic devices with no command line argument have proven to be a
> nightmare for libvirt as well.  Although the just-released libvirt 1.1.1
> now supports the <on_crash> element for controlling the command line
> parameters of qemu related to how qemu will behave when the pvpanic
> device is triggered, I would also welcome having the ability to control
> whether the guest even has a pvpanic device exposed, just as we can
> control whether a guest has a memballoon device exposed.

This is quite different from memballoon.

pvpanic is a single I/O port, it doesn't use up a PCI slot (thus
causing conflicts with other devices at the same address).

Perhaps this issue is simply fixed by making the _STA method
return 0x0B instead of 0x0F (i.e. turning off the "show in user
interface" bit).

Paolo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-01 22:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-01 13:08 [Qemu-devel] pvpanic device should not be automatically included as an internal device Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-01 13:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-01 16:39   ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-01 14:18 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-08-01 16:26   ` Eric Blake
2013-08-01 16:31     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-01 16:41       ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-01 22:23     ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-08-01 22:42       ` Eric Blake
2013-08-02  8:31         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-02  9:24           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2013-08-02  7:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 1/2] don't create pvpanic device by default Hu Tao
2013-08-02  8:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-11 10:33     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-11 14:45       ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-11 15:12         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-08-11 15:16         ` Marcel Apfelbaum
2013-08-02  7:04 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.6 2/2] pvpanic: make pvpanic known to user Hu Tao
2013-08-02 12:20   ` Andreas Färber

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