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From: "Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
Cc: Alexey Kardashevskiy <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"qemu-ppc@nongnu.org" <qemu-ppc@nongnu.org>,
	Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] powerpc: add PVR mask support
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 17:11:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <520CEFAC.6090500@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87vc37qerm.fsf@codemonkey.ws>

Am 15.08.2013 15:12, schrieb Anthony Liguori:
> Everyone is talking past each other and no one is addressing the real
> problem.  There are two distinct issues here:
> 
> 1) We have two ABIs that cannot be changed unless there's a very good
>    reason to.  Alexey's original patch breaks both.  The guest ABI
>    cannot change given a fixed command line.
> 
>    IOW, the exposed PVR value for -cpu POWER7 cannot change across
>    versions of QEMU or when running on different hardware.  This breaks
>    live migration and save/resume.
> 
>    We also cannot break the command line interface.  If the last version
>    of QEMU supported -cpu POWER7_v2.1, then we must continue to support
>    that.

1a) How should -cpu 0xDEADBEEF or -cpu DEADBEEF behave.

    I expect it to error out as before
    rather than applying the same fuzz/mask that -cpu host might.

    That would let us implement our own fuzz logic in kvm.c,
    operating on a GSList of ObjectClasses to handle multiple matches.

Regards,
Andreas

> 
>    If there's a good reason to break either of these, that's fine but
>    that justification needs be up front in the patch commit message.
> 
> 2) The only "-cpu" that makes sense is "-cpu host" for KVM on HV (or
>    whatever ya'll call it).  POWER does not have the ability to
>    virtualize the hardware PVR value.  There is a virtual PVR in the
>    device tree but that's orthogonal to what we think of as the VCPU (it
>    essentially means IIUC that the cpu is compatible with that PVR).
> 
>    We should explicitly disallow any -cpu value when KVM on HV is
>    enabled other than host.
> 
>    The implementation of "-cpu host" is also goofy on PPC.  -cpu host
>    does a match on existing CPU models meaning that we have to define a
>    CPU model for any possible CPU we run on.  This would require having
>    every possible CPU model implemented in QEMU which is silly.
>    Instead, we should have a passthrough CPU model for use with "-cpu
>    host" which is essentially what Alexey's patch turns -cpu POWER7
>    into.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-15 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-15  3:35 [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] powerpc: add PVR mask support Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15  5:21 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15  5:44   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15  6:03     ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15  6:30       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-15  6:39         ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 13:12         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-15 13:33           ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 15:11           ` Andreas Färber [this message]
2013-08-15 15:30             ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 15:48               ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 15:58                 ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 16:22                   ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 17:01                     ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 16:04             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-15  5:54   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-15  6:10     ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15  6:28       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-15  6:37         ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15  6:00   ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-ppc] " Alexander Graf
2013-08-15  6:43     ` [Qemu-devel] [_R_F_C_ PATCH v2] " Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15  6:57       ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15  7:45         ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v3] " Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15  7:55           ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15  8:06             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15  8:45               ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 10:52                 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 11:03                   ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 11:48                     ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 11:59                       ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-19 17:13                         ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 13:55                       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15 14:47                         ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 15:29                           ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 15:43                             ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 15:51                               ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-15 16:08                                 ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 16:17                                   ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-16  0:20                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-16  0:28                             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-16  0:30                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-08-19 17:34                             ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-16  8:07                           ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-19  4:06                           ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v4] " Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-26 13:04                             ` Alexander Graf
2013-08-26 14:32                               ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-28 10:31                                 ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-28 10:34                                   ` Andreas Färber
2013-08-15 14:43                 ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v3] " Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-08-15 15:17                   ` Alexander Graf

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