From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Cc: pkrempa@redhat.com, mst@redhat.com, libvir-list@redhat.com,
hutao@cn.fujitsu.com, marcel.a@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
armbru@redhat.com, rhod@redhat.com, kraxel@redhat.com,
anthony@codemonkey.ws, lcapitulino@redhat.com, afaerber@suse.de
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] pvpanic plans?
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:19:06 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5216642A.7010503@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5216471E.7020209@redhat.com>
Il 22/08/2013 19:15, Laszlo Ersek ha scritto:
>> 2) On all versions, <on_crash> will only work if the element is there.
>
> I like this, because, if on_crash doesn't work without panic_notifier
> *at all*, then we can just drop panic_notifier, and make on_crash mean
> (on_crash && panic_notifier) in the original sense.
>
> IOW, drop "panic_notifier", and make "on_crash" work *always*.
No, we cannot because of backwards compatibility. VMs could have no
on_crash element (which means <on_crash>destroy</on_crash>) and yet the
guest admin could expect them to reboot on panic.
>> 2b) QEMU will provide a way for libvirt to detect that no machine type
>> has the builtin pvpanic. If some machine type may have the builtin
>> pvpanic, and <panic-notifier/> is absent, libvirt will add
>> "-global pvpanic.iobase=0" to neutralize it. Otherwise, libvirt
>> will create the device normally.
>>
>> A possible way for libvirt to detect "good" machine types is a
>> dummy property. This is a bit ugly in that the property would not
>> affect the behavior of the device. The property would remain in
>> the long term.
>>
>> Another possibility is for QEMU to rename the device, e.g. to
>> isa-pvpanic. This is also somewhat gross, but not visible in the
>> long term when the "pvpanic" name will be lost in history.
>>
>> Advantage 1: libvirt has no knowledge of the pvpanic port number
>>
>> Disadvantage 1: same as above
>>
>> Disadvantage 2: need a somewhat gross change in QEMU
>>
>>
>> This method also provides an (also somewhat gross on the QEMU side)
>> way to detect other changes in the pvpanic semantics. One example
>> mentioned below, is making the panicked state temporary.
>
> Too much work in qemu, in order to introduce ugliness, to hide older
> ugliness.
Is it too much work? s/"pvpanic"/"isa-pvpanic"?
Paolo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-08-22 19:20 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-08-22 16:10 [Qemu-devel] pvpanic plans? Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 16:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-22 17:53 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 18:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-27 8:42 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-22 19:16 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 20:09 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-22 20:36 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 20:39 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-23 8:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 21:08 ` Peter Maydell
2013-08-27 8:06 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-27 13:08 ` Ronen Hod
2013-08-27 13:20 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-27 13:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-27 13:57 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-27 13:13 ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2013-08-27 13:17 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-27 13:21 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-22 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 18:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-22 19:44 ` Christian Borntraeger
2013-08-22 19:19 ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-08-22 19:41 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 20:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Eric Blake
2013-10-24 2:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-10-29 16:01 ` Markus Armbruster
2013-10-31 14:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:32 ` Eric Blake
2013-10-31 14:34 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-10-31 14:39 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 14:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 15:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 15:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 15:45 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 15:56 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 16:17 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 16:38 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:48 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 16:52 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 17:00 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 17:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 17:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 17:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 17:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 18:03 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:49 ` Eric Blake
2013-10-31 15:07 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-04 9:25 ` Christian Borntraeger
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