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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Cc: pkrempa@redhat.com, mst@redhat.com, libvir-list@redhat.com,
	hutao@cn.fujitsu.com, marcel.a@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	armbru@redhat.com, rhod@redhat.com, kraxel@redhat.com,
	anthony@codemonkey.ws, lcapitulino@redhat.com, afaerber@suse.de
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] pvpanic plans?
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 21:19:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5216642A.7010503@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5216471E.7020209@redhat.com>

Il 22/08/2013 19:15, Laszlo Ersek ha scritto:
>> 2) On all versions, <on_crash> will only work if the element is there.
> 
> I like this, because, if on_crash doesn't work without panic_notifier
> *at all*, then we can just drop panic_notifier, and make on_crash mean
> (on_crash && panic_notifier) in the original sense.
> 
> IOW, drop "panic_notifier", and make "on_crash" work *always*.

No, we cannot because of backwards compatibility.  VMs could have no
on_crash element (which means <on_crash>destroy</on_crash>) and yet the
guest admin could expect them to reboot on panic.


>> 2b) QEMU will provide a way for libvirt to detect that no machine type
>>     has the builtin pvpanic.  If some machine type may have the builtin
>>     pvpanic, and <panic-notifier/> is absent, libvirt will add
>>     "-global pvpanic.iobase=0" to neutralize it.  Otherwise, libvirt
>>     will create the device normally.
>>
>>     A possible way for libvirt to detect "good" machine types is a
>>     dummy property.  This is a bit ugly in that the property would not
>>     affect the behavior of the device.  The property would remain in
>>     the long term.
>>
>>     Another possibility is for QEMU to rename the device, e.g. to
>>     isa-pvpanic.  This is also somewhat gross, but not visible in the
>>     long term when the "pvpanic" name will be lost in history.
>>
>>     Advantage 1: libvirt has no knowledge of the pvpanic port number
>>
>>     Disadvantage 1: same as above
>>
>>     Disadvantage 2: need a somewhat gross change in QEMU
>>
>>
>>     This method also provides an (also somewhat gross on the QEMU side)
>>     way to detect other changes in the pvpanic semantics.  One example
>>     mentioned below, is making the panicked state temporary.
> 
> Too much work in qemu, in order to introduce ugliness, to hide older
> ugliness.

Is it too much work?  s/"pvpanic"/"isa-pvpanic"?

Paolo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-08-22 19:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-22 16:10 [Qemu-devel] pvpanic plans? Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 16:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-22 17:53   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 18:25     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-27  8:42       ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-22 19:16     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 20:09       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-22 20:36         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 20:39           ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-23  8:52             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 21:08         ` Peter Maydell
2013-08-27  8:06         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-27 13:08           ` Ronen Hod
2013-08-27 13:20             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-27 13:26               ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-27 13:57                 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-27 13:13       ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Daniel P. Berrange
2013-08-27 13:17         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-27 13:21         ` Richard W.M. Jones
2013-08-22 17:15 ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 18:33   ` Anthony Liguori
2013-08-22 19:44     ` Christian Borntraeger
2013-08-22 19:19   ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-08-22 19:41     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-08-22 20:02       ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Eric Blake
2013-10-24  2:39 ` [Qemu-devel] " Hu Tao
2013-10-29 16:01   ` Markus Armbruster
2013-10-31 14:30   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:32     ` Eric Blake
2013-10-31 14:34       ` Anthony Liguori
2013-10-31 14:39       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 14:52         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:56           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 15:09             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 15:26               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 15:45                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 15:56                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:14                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 16:17                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:26                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 16:38                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:48                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 16:52                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 17:00                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 17:09                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 17:01                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 17:10                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 17:18                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 18:03                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-31 16:28                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:47       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-10-31 14:49         ` Eric Blake
2013-10-31 15:07           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-04  9:25     ` Christian Borntraeger

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