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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Lei Li <lilei@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: aarcange@redhat.com, quintela@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	mrhines@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	lagarcia@br.ibm.com, rcj@linux.vnet.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/18] arch_init: adjust ram_save_setup() for migrate_is_localhost
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 11:12:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5217276B.4070300@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <521724A3.8050801@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

Il 23/08/2013 11:00, Lei Li ha scritto:
>>> The performance assurance is very important to this feature, our goal is
>>> 100ms of downtime for a 1TB guest.
>>
>> I honestly doubt that 100ms of downtime is possible while the machine is
>> stopped.  A 1TB guest has 2^28 = 268*10^6 pages, which you want to
>> process in 100*10^6 nanoseconds.  Thus, your approach would require 0.4
>> nanoseconds per page, or roughly 2 clock cycles per page.  This is
>> impossible without _massive_ parallelization at all levels, starting
>> from the kernel.
>>
>> Have you thought of using shared memory (with -mempath) instead of
>> vmsplice?
> 
> Precisely!
> 
> Well, as Anthony mentioned in the version 1[1], there has been some work involved
> regarding improvement of vmsplice() at kernel side by Robert Jennings[2].

Oh, finally!

> And yes, shared memory is an alternative, I think the problem with shared memory is
> that can't share anonymous memory. For this maybe Anthony can chime in
> as the original idea him.  :-)

You could perhaps switch from normal to shared memory while the VM is
running?  Either use the dirty bitmap for this, or mmap the shared
memory "in place" on top of the anonymous memory.  Since it needs to be
done while the VM is stopped, you can do it perhaps 1G at a time and let
the VM run for some time before doing the next 1G.

The nice part is that because the VM is running, you can do it as slow
as you want. :)  Only the final flush and device save affects downtime.

Paolo
> 
> Reference links:
> 
> [1] Anthony's comments:
>   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2013-06/msg02577.html
> 
> [2] vmpslice support for zero-copy gifting of pages:
>   http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.mm/103998
> 
>>
>> Paolo
>>
> 
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-23  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-21  7:18 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/18 RFC v3] Localhost migration Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/18] migration: export MIG_STATE_xxx flags Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/18] savevm: export qemu_save_device_state() Lei Li
2013-08-21 11:13   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/18] rename is_active to is_block_active Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/18] savevm: set right return value for qemu_file_rate_limit Lei Li
2013-08-21 10:42   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  3:18     ` Lei Li
2013-08-23  5:34       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  9:11         ` Lei Li
2013-08-23  9:14           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  9:18             ` Lei Li
2013-08-23  9:22               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  9:25                 ` Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/18] savevm: add comments for qemu_file_get_error() Lei Li
2013-08-21 10:43   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/18] bugfix: wrong error set by ram_control_load_hook() Lei Li
2013-08-21 10:40   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  3:22     ` Lei Li
2013-08-23  5:34       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  6:31         ` Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/18] arch_init: export RAM_SAVE_xxx flags Lei Li
2013-08-21 10:49   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 20:14     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-08-23  7:36       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/18] migration-local: introduce qemu_fopen_local() Lei Li
2013-08-22 20:42   ` Michael R. Hines
2013-08-23  7:44     ` Lei Li
2013-08-28  3:26       ` Lei Li
2013-08-28  6:37         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-29  8:28           ` Lei Li
2013-08-29 14:05           ` Michael R. Hines
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/18] exec: export qemu_get_ram_block() Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/18] migration-local: implementation of outgoing part Lei Li
2013-08-21 10:44   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 20:49   ` Michael R. Hines
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/18] migration: introduce capability localhost Lei Li
2013-08-21 15:08   ` Eric Blake
2013-08-28  4:22     ` Lei Li
2013-08-21 15:18   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-22 20:50     ` Michael R. Hines
2013-08-23  7:40       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  7:51         ` Lei Li
2013-08-23  8:01           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  9:21             ` Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/18] arch_init: factor out ram_save_blocks() Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/18] arch_init: adjust ram_save_setup() for migrate_is_localhost Lei Li
2013-08-21 10:48   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  6:25     ` Lei Li
2013-08-23  7:48       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  7:57         ` Alex Bligh
2013-08-23  8:06           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23  9:00         ` Lei Li
2013-08-23  9:12           ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/18] arch_init: skip migration_bitmap_sync for local migration Lei Li
2013-08-21 10:50   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/18] migration: adjust migration_thread " Lei Li
2013-08-21 10:47   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/18] migration-local: implementation of incoming part Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/18] migration: add prefix for local migration to incoming migration Lei Li
2013-08-21 10:52   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-23 14:02     ` Lei Li
2013-08-21  7:18 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/18] hmp: better fomat for info migrate_capabilities Lei Li

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