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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: NeilBrown <neilb@suse.de>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
	Jack Wang <jinpu.wang@profitbricks.com>,
	Dongsu Park <dongsu.park@profitbricks.com>,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] O_EXCL or not open block device
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2013 09:16:16 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5232BBC0.9080502@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130913084804.6648725c@notabene.brown>

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Il 13/09/2013 00:48, NeilBrown ha scritto:
>> I'm not sure why O_EXCL would be correct on generic block
>> devices when it's wrong on CD-ROMs. I think it's in fact more
>> likely that other devices are shared, as backing files.
> 
> O_EXCL make sense if you or someone else might change the contents.
> If the device is read-only, or is uniformly treated as read-only,
> then O_EXCL is unnecessary and could definitely get in the way. I
> would be nice if we had O_SHARED and O_EXCL, but unfortunately we
> don't.... I wonder if O_EXCL|O_RDONLY could be treated as a shared
> lock....  Maybe one day.

Even that won't really work well for CD-ROM passthrough, because
ejecting a CD certainly affects the other openers but is available
with O_RDONLY.

A policy on sharing block devices that are used "just for the data"
does not belong in QEMU, it belongs in management. As such, I don't
think that QEMU should blindly use O_EXCL on all block devices.

My patch series used O_EXCL for CD-ROMs only to disable kernel event
polling; in other words, basically as a workaround. There are other
reasons why not sharing a host CD unit makes sense; for example, ATAPI
event polling is edge-triggered and simply doesn't work with multiple
VMs attached. But if the sharing policy could be left exclusively to
management above QEMU, it would be better to do so.

I think if someone wants to attach a real CD-ROM disc to a VM just for
the data (e.g. ejecting the disc will not open the real tray) they
should use something like "file:/dev/sr0". Then QEMU would not use
O_EXCL even with my patch series.

Paolo
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      reply	other threads:[~2013-09-13  7:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-09-12 11:27 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] O_EXCL or not open block device Jack Wang
2013-09-12 13:58 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-09-12 14:27   ` Kevin Wolf
2013-09-12 15:57     ` Jack Wang
2013-09-12 22:48     ` NeilBrown
2013-09-13  7:16       ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]

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