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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Mark Langsdorf" <mark.langsdorf@calxeda.com>,
	"Alexey Kardashevskiy" <aik@ozlabs.ru>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Fabien Chouteau" <chouteau@adacore.com>,
	"Blue Swirl" <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	"Michael Walle" <michael@walle.cc>,
	"Hervé Poussineau" <hpoussin@reactos.org>,
	"Paul Brook" <paul@codesourcery.com>,
	"Anthony Liguori" <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	qemu-ppc <qemu-ppc@nongnu.org>,
	"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	"Aurelien Jarno" <aurelien@aurel32.net>,
	"Richard Henderson" <rth@twiddle.net>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] turn firmware image filename into a machine option
Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 16:45:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <524AE023.4090106@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1380638423.5280.53.camel@nilsson.home.kraxel.org>

On 10/01/2013 04:40 PM, Gerd Hoffmann wrote:
>    Hi,
>
>> SLOF is what is loaded from the very beginning, it configures PCI, cooks
>> the device tree and boots the guest system (directly or via yaboot/grub,
>> from disk, network or ram). Normal firmware, as usual. It knows all the
>> details about the machine so the guest system (linux) does not need to know
>> details about PCI host bus adapter or anything like this.
> So pretty much like seabios on x86.
>
>> RTAS is an agent which always lives in RAM when the guest system (linux,
>> aix) is up and running. It is a light-weight version of SLOF which is left
>> in RAM by SLOF and can do board/machine specific tasks such as PCI config
>> space access or PCI hotplug - something what SLOF already knows about and
>> something what the guest does not want to know about in details. This came
>> from IBM pHyp (traditional server PPC64 hypervisor) and it is quite a big
>> firmware. In the case of KVM, it is very small stub which simply passes
>> requests to QEMU which does the rest. But it is still a separate binary
>> image even in the current QEMU.
> How that does get loaded?  Is it there at machine init?  Or does SLOF
> load RTAS from somewhere?

It gets loaded to a fixed address similar to the device tree. But 
there's no reason that couldn't be changed to on demand loading or even 
an integrated RTAS blob inside of SLOF.


Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-01 14:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-01  9:39 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] turn firmware image filename into a machine option Gerd Hoffmann
2013-10-01 10:55 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-01 11:22   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-10-01 11:32     ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-01 12:16       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-10-01 12:20         ` Andreas Färber
2013-10-01 13:41           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-10-01 13:46             ` Andreas Färber
2013-10-01 14:23               ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-10-01 14:40                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-10-01 14:45                   ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2013-10-01 21:23                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2013-10-02  1:18                   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2013-10-01 13:00         ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-01 14:57           ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-01 15:05           ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-10-01 15:12             ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-01 15:28               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-10-01 15:42                 ` Anthony Liguori
     [not found] ` <524AB29F.3030906@suse.de>
2013-10-01 13:32   ` Gerd Hoffmann

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