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From: Avi Kivity <avi@cloudius-systems.com>
To: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Cc: "Huangweidong (C)" <weidong.huang@huawei.com>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Zhanghaoyu (A)" <haoyu.zhang@huawei.com>,
	Luonengjun <luonengjun@huawei.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Zanghongyong <zanghongyong@huawei.com>,
	Avi Kivity <avi.kivity@gmail.com>,
	"Jinxin (F)" <jinxin712@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:25:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5294BD61.7080904@cloudius-systems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5294BC3B.6070902@redhat.com>

On 11/26/2013 05:20 PM, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
> Il 26/11/2013 16:03, Gleb Natapov ha scritto:
>>>>>>>> I understood the proposal was also to eliminate the synchronize_rcu(),
>>>>>>>> so while new interrupts would see the new routing table, interrupts
>>>>>>>> already in flight could pick up the old one.
>>>>>> Isn't that always the case with RCU?  (See my answer above: "the vcpus
>>>>>> already see the new routing table after the rcu_assign_pointer that is
>>>>>> in kvm_irq_routing_update").
>>>> With synchronize_rcu(), you have the additional guarantee that any
>>>> parallel accesses to the old routing table have completed.  Since we
>>>> also trigger the irq from rcu context, you know that after
>>>> synchronize_rcu() you won't get any interrupts to the old
>>>> destination (see kvm_set_irq_inatomic()).
>> We do not have this guaranty for other vcpus that do not call
>> synchronize_rcu(). They may still use outdated routing table while a vcpu
>> or iothread that performed table update sits in synchronize_rcu().
> Avi's point is that, after the VCPU resumes execution, you know that no
> interrupt will be sent to the old destination because
> kvm_set_msi_inatomic (and ultimately kvm_irq_delivery_to_apic_fast) is
> also called within the RCU read-side critical section.
>
> Without synchronize_rcu you could have
>
>      VCPU writes to routing table
>                                         e = entry from IRQ routing table
>      kvm_irq_routing_update(kvm, new);
>      VCPU resumes execution
>                                         kvm_set_msi_irq(e, &irq);
>                                         kvm_irq_delivery_to_apic_fast();
>
> where the entry is stale but the VCPU has already resumed execution.
>
> If we want to ensure, we need to use a different mechanism for
> synchronization than the global RCU.  QRCU would work; readers are not
> wait-free but only if there is a concurrent synchronize_qrcu, which
> should be rare.

An alternative path is to convince ourselves that the hardware does not 
provide the guarantees that the current code provides, and so we can 
relax them.

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-26 15:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-26 12:40 [Qemu-devel] [RFC] create a single workqueue for each vm to update vm irq routing table Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 12:47 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 12:56   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 13:13     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28  3:46       ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 16:05     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:14       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:24         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-30  2:46           ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-26 13:18   ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 13:47     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:36       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 14:46         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 14:54           ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:03             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:20               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:25                 ` Avi Kivity [this message]
2013-11-26 15:28                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 15:35                     ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 15:58                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:06                         ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:11                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:21                             ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:42                               ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:08                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-26 16:24                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:27                   ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:38                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 16:28                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 16:29                     ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-26 16:37                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28  6:27                 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28  8:55                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28  9:19                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28  9:29                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28  9:43                         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28  9:49                       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28  9:53                         ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:16                           ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:40                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 10:47                               ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:09                               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:10                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:16                                   ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:23                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:31                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-28 11:33                                       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 10:11                         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 10:12                           ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:02                             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:18                               ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:22                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-28 11:30                                   ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28 11:33                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-11-28 11:33                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 15:24               ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-28  9:14                 ` Zhanghaoyu (A)
2013-11-28  9:20                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 12:50   ` Gleb Natapov

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