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From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "edk2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<edk2-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Cole Robinson <crobinso@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [qemu PATCH] hw/i386/pc_sysfw: support more than one flash drive
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 16:18:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <52960D2C.4020103@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8761rd52fc.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>

On 11/27/13 15:45, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com> writes:
> 
>> On 11/27/13 14:52, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>> Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:32 AM, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/26/13 13:36, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Your stated purpose for multiple -pflash:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     This accommodates the following use case: suppose that OVMF is split in
>>>>>>     two parts, a writeable host file for non-volatile variable
>>>>>> storage, and a
>>>>>>     read-only part for bootstrap and decompressible executable code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Such a split between writable part and read-only part makes sense to me.
>>>>>> How is it done in physical hardware?  Single device with configurable
>>>>>> write-protect, or two separate devices?
>>>>>
>>>>> (Jordan could help more.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Likely one device that's fully writeable.
>>>>
>>>> Most parts will have a dedicated read-only line.
>>>>
>>>> Many devices have 'block-locking' that will make some subset of blocks
>>>> read-only until a reset.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to this, many chipsets will allow flash writes to be
>>>> protected by triggering SMM when a flash write occurs.
>>>>
>>>> Using multiple chips are less common due to cost, but this is not a
>>>> factor for QEMU. :)
>>>
>>> Should we stick to what real hardware does?  Single device, perhaps with
>>> block locking.
>>
>> I can't back a single flash device with two drives (= two host-side
>> files), which is the incentive for this change.
> 
> There's no fundamental reason why a single device model instance could
> not be backed by two block backends, named by two drive properties.
> 
> I'm not claiming this is the best solution, just offering it for
> consideration.

I'll pass :) I guess in theory we could push down the multi-drive thing
to "pflash_cfi01.c". But:
- It is used by a bunch of other boards.
- Regarding i386, the second drive could automatically become (dependent
on the first drive's size) part of the range that is mirrored in
isa-bios space. Probably not intended.
- The previous point strengthens the "pflash is used by other boards
too" concern: in case of i386, I'm at least halfway aware of the
board-specific consequences of sneaking in another drive, but I have no
clue about the other boards.
- If we decide at some point to map / paste backing drives in a loop,
then the (at that time) existent device properties of pflash, let's call
them "drive0" and "drive1", will look clumsy. We'll need a way to parse
an unknown number of backend (drive) IDs. A mess.

Thanks!
Laszlo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-11-27 15:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-21 22:21 [Qemu-devel] [qemu PATCH] hw/i386/pc_sysfw: support more than one flash drive Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-21 22:21 ` [Qemu-devel] [edk2 PATCH] OvmfPkg: split the variable store to a separate file Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-22  9:27   ` [Qemu-devel] [edk2] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-22 11:46     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-22 11:56       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-22 12:12         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-22 17:37   ` [Qemu-devel] " Jordan Justen
2013-11-22 18:43     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-22 20:51       ` Jordan Justen
2013-11-22 20:54         ` Eric Blake
2013-11-22 21:18           ` Jordan Justen
2013-11-22 21:40         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-22 21:45         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-21 22:26 ` [Qemu-devel] [qemu PATCH] hw/i386/pc_sysfw: support more than one flash drive Eric Blake
2013-11-21 22:33   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-22 12:21 ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-22 18:30   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-25 15:22     ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-25 19:45       ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-26 12:36         ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-26 13:32           ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-26 17:54             ` Jordan Justen
2013-11-27 13:52               ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-27 14:01                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-27 14:45                   ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-27 15:18                     ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2013-11-27 17:22                       ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-27 17:34                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-27 20:35                           ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-26 13:41         ` [Qemu-devel] [edk2] " Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 13:53           ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-26 14:06             ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-26 12:53     ` [Qemu-devel] " Markus Armbruster
2013-11-26 13:27       ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-27 13:49         ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-27 14:01           ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-25 15:32 ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-25 20:17   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-26 13:11     ` Markus Armbruster
2013-11-26 13:39       ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-11-26 15:35         ` Markus Armbruster

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