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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Gabriel L. Somlo" <gsomlo@gmail.com>
Cc: "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"eddie.dong@intel.com" <eddie.dong@intel.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Alex Williamson <alex.williamson@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] kvm: ignore apic polarity
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2014 00:31:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <530FCACF.40100@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140227231312.GH17184@ERROL.INI.CMU.EDU>

Il 28/02/2014 00:13, Gabriel L. Somlo ha scritto:
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:30:55PM +0100, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>> Il 27/02/2014 22:41, Gabriel L. Somlo ha scritto:
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 07:05:49PM +0200, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>>> apic polarity in KVM does not work: too many things assume active high.
>>>> Let's not pretend it works, let's just ignore polarity flag.  If we ever
>>>> want to emulate it exactly, this will need a feature flag anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Also report this to userspace: this makes it
>>>> possible to report the interrupt active-low
>>>> in ACPI, this way we are closer to real hardware.
>>>>
>>>> This patch fixes OSX running on KVM.
>>>>
>>>> Reported-by: "Gabriel L. Somlo" <gsomlo@gmail.com>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>
>>> So, the way I understand this (and I'm writing this mainly for myself,
>>> to make sure I understand correctly, so please kick me if I got it
>>> wrong), ACPI tells the guest OS how to configure "physical" ioapic polarity.
>>>
>>> With ActiveHigh, "physical" == "logical", i.e. "high" == "asserted"
>>> and "low" == "deasserted".
>>>
>>> With ActiveLow, "physical" == !"logical", so the other way around.
>>>
>>> QEMU being hard-coded to ActiveHigh is the moral equivalent of always
>>> sending the kernel (KVM) "logical" line states, rather than "physical"
>>> ones.
>>>
>>> Assuming KVM's userland clients are all coded for ActiveHigh, we can
>>> (should, for sanity's sake) just assume line states from userland are
>>> logical, and stop paying attention the polarity bits. That way,
>>> misbehaving guests [*] can configure their ioapics as they please, and
>>> things will just work OK regardless.
>>>
>>> As you pointed out earlier, even KVM itself already kind-of assumes
>>> ActiveHigh (e.g. in __kvm_irq_line_state(), which should be coded
>>> differently if ActiveLow were a serious possibility, and, BTW,
>>> irq_states[irq] would probably have to be initialized to all-1's if
>>> ActiveLow wre used, etc, etc).
>>
>> This is a much better description.  Can you turn it into a patch to
>> Documentation/virtual/kvm/api.txt and a more complete commit
>> message?
>
> Do you mean one patch to change both virt/kvm/ioapic.c and
> Documentation/virtual/kvm/api.txt ? Or a separate documentation patch ?
> (sorry for my ignorance, I'm new to being a KVM contributor :) )

Yes.

> I think removing the polarity xor from KVM is about giving up on
> trying to add ActiveLow support to QEMU altogether. What I tested
> was what would happen if Linux (which pays attention to ACPI) were
> told to use ActiveLow, but thre rest of QEMU continued being hardcoded
> as ActiveHigh. Basically, another datapoint similar to what happens
> with OS X, which completely ignores ACPI and configures the ioapic as
> ActiveLow (even while running on ActiveHigh "hardware", i.e. QEMU).
>
> With KVM no longer paying attention to the polarity bit, things work
> fine, both with Linux-thinking-it's-ActiveLow, and with OS X.
>
> But, since QEMU will stay ActiveHigh, I don't think TCG will be
> impacted in any way by this change.

If you change ACPI tables to ActiveLow, and leave the polarity inversion 
in hw/intc/ioapic.c, then it will matter.

> (Hmmm, maybe this one of the reasons I never got OS X to boot without
> -enable-kvm... I should look at the QEMU hw/intc/ioapic*.c, and see if
> *it* cares about guest-configured polarity, and maybe get it to *stop*
> caring :)

Exactly my point. :)

Paolo

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-27 23:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-08 20:02 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add option to disable FDC from ISA bus and ACPI on i386 Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-08 20:38 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-08 21:09   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-15 11:13     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-01-08 22:13 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-01-08 23:39   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-09  0:12     ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-09  1:51     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-09 18:51       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-09 20:12         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-01-09 21:33           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-09 21:58             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-09 21:44           ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-10 12:37             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-01-10 15:35               ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-10 16:13                 ` Igor Mammedov
2014-01-17 21:10                   ` [Qemu-devel] RFC: ACPI, HPET._CRS, MacOSX vs. WinXP Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-20 11:58                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-20 11:57                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-01-20 12:08                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-20 12:16                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-01-20 18:54                             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-20 20:31                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-20 21:25                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-21 10:33                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-01-21 11:02                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-21 11:05                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-01-21 11:44                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-21 18:11                                           ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] ACPI: Add IRQ resource to HPET._CRS on Mac OS X Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-21 18:38                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-24 16:46                                               ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-24 21:18                                                 ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-25  0:09                                                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-25  9:08                                                     ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-27 22:51                                                       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-27 23:51                                                         ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-28 16:45                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] OSX guest support review Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-28 16:57                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-29 14:17                                                             ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-29 21:36                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] OSX guest vs. kvm ioapic polarity Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-29 22:18                                                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-30 14:18                                                                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-30 19:48                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-30 20:21                                                                       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-30 20:28                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-30 20:33                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-30 20:44                                                                           ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-11 18:23                                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] RFC: ioapic polarity vs. qemu os-x guest Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-11 19:54                                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-11 21:35                                                                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-14 21:13                                                                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-14 21:21                                                                                   ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-14 22:06                                                                                     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-14 22:13                                                                                       ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-16 11:18                                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-16 11:41                                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-16 14:47                                                                                           ` Alex Williamson
2014-02-16 16:23                                                                                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-17 17:57                                                                                               ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-17 18:01                                                                                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-17 18:06                                                                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-17 19:38                                                                                                     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-18  0:58                                                                                                       ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-27 17:05                                                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] kvm: ignore apic polarity Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-27 21:41                                                                                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-27 22:30                                                                                                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 23:13                                                                                                     ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-27 23:31                                                                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2014-02-28  4:06                                                                                                         ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2] kvm: x86: ignore ioapic polarity Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-28 17:23                                                                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH] qemu: " Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-28 18:57                                                                                                             ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2] " Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-28 19:14                                                                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] qemu: x86: report lapic version as 0x14 instead of 0x11 Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-03-01  3:44                                                                                                                 ` Alexander Graf
2014-03-01  4:25                                                                                                                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-03-01  5:45                                                                                                                     ` Alexander Graf
2014-03-01 14:46                                                                                                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-02  0:17                                                                                                                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-03-02  8:56                                                                                                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-02 14:31                                                                                                                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-03-02 16:02                                                                                                                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-03-06  7:50                                                                                                                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-03-02 14:52                                                                                                               ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2] qemu: x86: ignore ioapic polarity Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-03-02 16:15                                                                                                                 ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-03-02 17:09                                                                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-03-06  7:45                                                                                                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-03-02 14:55                                                                                                           ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2] kvm: " Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-03-13 10:53                                                                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-13 13:43                                                                                                             ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-02-28  4:55                                                                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC] kvm: ignore apic polarity Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-28  8:10                                                                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-28  8:11                                                                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-01  5:03                                                                                                 ` Alex Williamson
2014-02-16 11:34                                                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] RFC: ioapic polarity vs. qemu os-x guest Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-16 15:12                                                                                     ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-16 11:37                                                                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-29 23:13                                                                 ` [Qemu-devel] OSX guest vs. kvm ioapic polarity Alexander Graf
2014-01-30 15:56                                                                   ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-28 20:40                                                       ` [Qemu-devel] osx bootloader Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-28 22:51                                                         ` BALATON Zoltan
2014-01-29  3:07                                                           ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-29 11:29                                                             ` BALATON Zoltan
2014-01-29 14:53                                                               ` Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-29 15:00                                                                 ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-30  0:15                                                                   ` BALATON Zoltan
2014-02-01 17:43                                                                   ` BALATON Zoltan
2014-02-01  0:38                                                                 ` BALATON Zoltan
2014-02-01 10:07                                                                   ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-01 14:35                                                                     ` [Qemu-devel] OVMF with q35 (was: osx bootloader) BALATON Zoltan
2014-02-01 15:13                                                                       ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-01 17:38                                                                         ` BALATON Zoltan
2014-02-03  7:47                                                                       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2014-02-01 21:19                                                                   ` [Qemu-devel] osx bootloader Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-02  2:18                                                                     ` BALATON Zoltan
2014-01-29 12:10                                                             ` BALATON Zoltan
2014-01-29 14:20                                                             ` Alexander Graf
2014-01-21 11:38                                   ` [Qemu-devel] RFC: ACPI, HPET._CRS, MacOSX vs. WinXP Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-20 20:23                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-01-20 12:03                     ` Igor Mammedov
2014-01-09  8:46   ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] Add option to disable FDC from ISA bus and ACPI on i386 Markus Armbruster
2014-01-09 10:24     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-01-31 19:03       ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC PATCH v2] Add option to switch off FDC Gabriel L. Somlo
2014-01-31 19:39         ` Eric Blake
2014-02-02 13:47           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-02-10 14:10             ` Marcel Apfelbaum

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