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From: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: "Kevin Wolf" <kwolf@redhat.com>, "Fam Zheng" <famz@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Juan Quintela" <quintela@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Anthony Liguori" <aliguori@amazon.com>,
	"Amit Shah" <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Andreas Färber" <afaerber@suse.de>,
	"Greg Kurz" <gkurz@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 8/8] virtio: add endian-ambivalent support to VirtIODevice
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 11:08:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53996DF0.5070106@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140612090718.GC22230@redhat.com>


On 12.06.14 11:07, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:55:40AM +0200, Alexander Graf wrote:
>> On 12.06.14 09:54, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 09:43:51AM +0200, Greg Kurz wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 May 2014 12:16:26 +0200
>>>> Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>> Il 29/05/2014 11:12, Greg Kurz ha scritto:
>>>>>> int virtio_load(VirtIODevice *vdev, QEMUFile *f)
>>>>>> {
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>              nheads = vring_avail_idx(&vdev->vq[i]) - vdev->vq[i].last_avail_idx;
>>>>>>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>              /* Check it isn't doing very strange things with descriptor numbers. */
>>>>>>              if (nheads > vdev->vq[i].vring.num) {
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> static int virtio_serial_load(QEMUFile *f, void *opaque, int version_id)
>>>>>> {
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>      /* The config space */
>>>>>>      qemu_get_be16s(f, &s->config.cols);
>>>>>>      qemu_get_be16s(f, &s->config.rows);
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      qemu_get_be32s(f, &max_nr_ports);
>>>>>>      tswap32s(&max_nr_ports);
>>>>>>       ^^^^^^
>>>>>>      if (max_nr_ports > tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports)) {
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we stream subsections after the device descriptor as it is done
>>>>>> in VMState, these two will break because the device endian is stale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first one can be easily dealt with: just defer the sanity check
>>>>>> to a post_load function.
>>>>> Good, we're lucky here.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The second is a bit more tricky: the
>>>>>> virtio serial migrates its config space (target endian) and the
>>>>>> active ports bitmap. The load code assumes max_nr_ports from the
>>>>>> config space tells the size of the ports bitmap... that means the
>>>>>> virtio migration protocol is also contaminated by target endianness. :-\
>>>>> Ouch.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess we could break migration in the case of host endianness !=
>>>>> target endianness, like this:
>>>>>
>>>>>       /* These three used to be fetched in target endianness and then
>>>>>        * stored as big endian.  It ended up as little endian if host and
>>>>>        * target endianness doesn't match.
>>>>>        *
>>>>>        * Starting with qemu 2.1, we always store as big endian.  The
>>>>>        * version wasn't bumped to avoid breaking backwards compatibility.
>>>>>        * We check the validity of max_nr_ports, and the incorrect-
>>>>>        * endianness max_nr_ports will be huge, which will abort migration
>>>>>        * anyway.
>>>>>        */
>>>>>       uint16_t cols = tswap16(s->config.cols);
>>>>>       uint16_t rows = tswap16(s->config.rows);
>>>>>       uint32_t max_nr_ports = tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports);
>>>>>
>>>>>       qemu_put_be16s(f, &cols);
>>>>>       qemu_put_be16s(f, &rows);
>>>>>       qemu_put_be32s(f, &max_nr_ports);
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>       uint16_t cols, rows;
>>>>>
>>>>>       qemu_get_be16s(f, &cols);
>>>>>       qemu_get_be16s(f, &rows);
>>>>>       qemu_get_be32s(f, &max_nr_ports);
>>>>>
>>>>>       /* Convert back to target endianness when storing into the config
>>>>>        * space.
>>>>>        */
>>>> Paolo,
>>>>
>>>> The patch set to support endian changing targets adds a device_endian
>>>> field to the VirtIODevice structure to be used instead of the default
>>>> target endianness as it happens with tswap() macros. It also introduces
>>>> virtio_tswap() helpers for this purpose, but they can only be used when
>>>> the device_endian field has been restored... in a subsection after the
>>>> device descriptor... :-\
>>> Store it earlier then, using plain put/get.
>>> You can still add a section conditionally to cause
>>> a cleaner failure in broken cross-version scenarios.
>>>
>>>> If the scenario is ppc64le-on-ppc64: tswap() macros don't do anything
>>>> and we cannot convert back to LE...
>>>>
>>>>>       s->config.cols = tswap16(cols);
>>>>>       s->config.rows = tswap16(rows);
>>>> Since cols and rows are not involved in the protocol, we can safely
>>>> defer the conversion to post load.
>>>>
>>>>>       if (max_nr_ports > tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports) {
>>>>>           ...
>>>>>       }
>>>>>
>>>> Since we know that 0 < max_nr_ports < 32,  is it acceptable to guess
>>>> the correct endianness with a heuristic ?
>>>>
>>>> if (max_nr_ports > tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports)) {
>>>> 	max_nr_ports = bswap32(max_nr_ports);
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> if (max_nr_ports > tswap32(s->config.max_nr_ports)) {
>>>> 	return -EINVAL;
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>>>> In the case the answer for above is "legacy virtio really sucks" then,
>>>>>> is it acceptable to not honor bug-compatibility with older versions and
>>>>>> fix the code ? :)
>>>>> As long as the common cases don't break, yes.  The question is what are
>>>>> the common cases.  Here I think the only non-obscure case that could
>>>>> break is x86-on-PPC, and it's not that common.
>>>>>
>>>>> Paolo
>>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>> One starts doubting whether all this hackery is worth it.  virtio 1.0
>>> should be out real soon now, it makes everything LE so the problem goes
>>> away. It's not like PPC LE is so popular that we must support old drivers
>>> at all costs.  Won't time be better spent backporting virtio 1.0 drivers?
>> There are already released and working Linux distributions (Ubuntu,
>> openSUSE, maybe others) that don't have virtio 1.0 drivers. Putting our
>> heads into the sand is not an option ;).
>>
>>
>> Alex
> I don't get it. Does virtio work there at the moment?

With the LE enable patch, yes, sure. Imagine the same would happen for 
Windows and e1000 - would you still argue the same way?


Alex

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-12  9:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-14 15:41 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/8] virtio: migrate new properties Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 1/8] virtio: add subsections to the migration stream Greg Kurz
2014-05-15  6:04   ` Amit Shah
2014-05-15  6:23     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15  6:46       ` Amit Shah
2014-05-15  7:04         ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15  9:20           ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-15  9:52             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15  9:58               ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-15 10:03                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 10:11                   ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-15 10:16                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 12:00                       ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-15 12:20                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 13:47                           ` Markus Armbruster
2014-05-15 13:49                         ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 12:33               ` Markus Armbruster
2014-05-15 12:58                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 13:35                   ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 10:08             ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 10:12               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15 10:21                 ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15 10:16               ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-16  9:14               ` Fam Zheng
2014-05-16  9:22                 ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-16  9:40                   ` Fam Zheng
2014-05-16  9:48                     ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-17 18:29           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15  7:14         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-15  6:49     ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-15  6:55       ` Amit Shah
2014-05-15  7:12       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-05-14 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 2/8] virtio-net: migrate subsections Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 3/8] virtio-blk: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 4/8] virtio-scsi: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 5/8] virtio-serial: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 6/8] virtio-balloon: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 7/8] virtio-rng: " Greg Kurz
2014-05-14 15:42 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 8/8] virtio: add endian-ambivalent support to VirtIODevice Greg Kurz
     [not found]   ` <5384A8D2.8050104@redhat.com>
     [not found]     ` <20140529111253.4ff55199@bahia.local>
     [not found]       ` <538708FA.4070309@redhat.com>
2014-06-12  7:43         ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12  7:54           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12  8:47             ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12  9:05               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12  9:06               ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12  8:55             ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12  9:07               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12  9:08                 ` Alexander Graf [this message]
2014-06-12  8:55           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-12  8:57             ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12  9:06             ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12  9:19               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-12  9:37                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12  9:39                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-06-12  9:43                     ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 10:14                       ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12 10:39                         ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 10:50                           ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12 10:58                             ` Alexander Graf
2014-06-12 10:59                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 11:10                               ` Greg Kurz
2014-06-12 10:57                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 10:56                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2014-06-12 10:55                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-05-19  8:38 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC V2 0/8] virtio: migrate new properties Greg Kurz
2014-05-19  8:39 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH RFC 8/8] virtio: add endian-ambivalent support to VirtIODevice Greg Kurz
2014-05-19 13:06   ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-19 17:06     ` Andreas Färber
2014-05-19 17:32       ` Greg Kurz
2014-05-19 18:07       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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