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From: Sanidhya Kashyap <sanidhya.iiith@gmail.com>
To: "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	yamahata@private.email.ne.jp, lilei@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	quintela@redhat.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/46] Postcopy implementation
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 09:35:13 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53BF6279.5030803@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140710154944.GI2627@work-vm>


>> The single precopy lazy pass would consist of clearing the dirty
>> bitmap, starting precopy, then if any page is found dirty by the time
>> precopy tries to send it, we skip it. We only send those pages in
>> precopy that haven't been modified yet by the time we reach them in
>> precopy.
>>
>> Pages heavily modified will be sent purely through
>> postcopy. Ultimately postcopy will be a page sorting feature to
>> massively decrease the downtime latency, and to reduce to 2*ramsize
>> the maximum amount of data transferred on the network without having
>> to slow down the guest artificially. We'll also know exactly the
>> maximum time in advance that it takes to migrate a large host no
>> matter the load in it (2*ramsize divided by the network bandwidth
>> available at the migration time). It'll be totally deterministic, no
>> black magic slowdowns anymore.
> 
> There is a trade off;  killing the precopy does reduce network bandwidth,
> but the other side of it is that you would incur more postcopy round trips,
> so your average latency will probably increase.
> 

I agree with David on the latency issue. I (along with my colleague)
have tried the idea of single iteration precopy and then postcopy (with
our own version of pre+post implementation). In case of workloads with
huge writable working set size, the VM remains a bit inactive, because
of transfer of pages. We coined a new term i.e. perceivable downtime,
which can be measured for workloads running some network intensive tasks.

The multiple postcopy round trips will certainly worsen the performance
of a memory intensive workload like mcf of SPECCPU 2006 or even
memcached based guest is migrated (some of the workloads on which we
tested our prototype).

Currently, I don't know how does David's postcopy implementation handles
multiple pages, which I will try to investigate in sometime.

--

Sanidhya

  reply	other threads:[~2014-07-11  4:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-04 17:41 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/46] Postcopy implementation Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 01/46] qemu_ram_foreach_block: pass up error value, and down the ramblock name Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-07 15:46   ` Eric Blake
2014-07-07 15:48     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 02/46] Move QEMUFile structure to qemu-file.h Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 03/46] QEMUSizedBuffer/QEMUFile Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 04/46] improve DPRINTF macros, add to savevm Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 05/46] Add qemu_get_counted_string to read a string prefixed by a count byte Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 06/46] Create MigrationIncomingState Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 07/46] Return path: Open a return path on QEMUFile for sockets Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:06   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-16  9:37     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-16  9:50       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-16 11:52         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-16 12:31           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-16 17:10             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-17  6:25               ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 08/46] Return path: socket_writev_buffer: Block even on non-blocking fd's Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:07   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 09/46] Migration commands Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 10/46] Return path: Control commands Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 11/46] Return path: Send responses from destination to source Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 12/46] Return path: Source handling of return path Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 13/46] qemu_loadvm debug Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 14/46] ram_debug_dump_bitmap: Dump a migration bitmap as text Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 15/46] Rework loadvm path for subloops Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:26   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 14:35     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-07 14:53       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 15:04         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-16  9:25         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 16/46] Add migration-capability boolean for postcopy-ram Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-07 19:41   ` Eric Blake
2014-07-07 20:23     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-10 16:17       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-10 19:02         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 17/46] Add wrappers and handlers for sending/receiving the postcopy-ram migration messages Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 18/46] QEMU_VM_CMD_PACKAGED: Send a packaged chunk of migration stream Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 19/46] migrate_init: Call from savevm Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 20/46] Allow savevm handlers to state whether they could go into postcopy Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 21/46] postcopy: OS support test Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 22/46] Migration parameters: Add qmp/hmp commands for setting/viewing Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-07 19:50   ` Eric Blake
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 23/46] MIG_STATE_POSTCOPY_ACTIVE: Add new migration state Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 24/46] qemu_savevm_state_complete: Postcopy changes Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 25/46] Postcopy: Maintain sentmap during postcopy pre phase Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 26/46] Postcopy page-map-incoming (PMI) structure Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 27/46] postcopy: Add incoming_init/cleanup functions Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 28/46] postcopy: Incoming initialisation Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 29/46] postcopy: ram_enable_notify to switch on userfault Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 30/46] Postcopy: postcopy_start Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 31/46] Postcopy: Rework migration thread for postcopy mode Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:19   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-08-28 11:04     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-08-28 11:23       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 32/46] mig fd_connect: open return path Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 33/46] Postcopy: Create a fault handler thread before marking the ram as userfault Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 34/46] Page request: Add MIG_RPCOMM_REQPAGES reverse command Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 35/46] Page request: Process incoming page request Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 36/46] Page request: Consume pages off the post-copy queue Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 37/46] Add assertion to check migration_dirty_pages doesn't go -ve; have seen it happen once but not sure why Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-11 15:20   ` Eric Blake
2014-07-11 15:41     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 38/46] postcopy_ram.c: place_page and helpers Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 39/46] Postcopy: Use helpers to map pages during migration Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 40/46] qemu_ram_block_from_host Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 41/46] Handle userfault requests (although userfaultfd not done yet) Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 42/46] Start up a postcopy/listener thread ready for incoming page data Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 43/46] postcopy: Wire up loadvm_postcopy_ram_handle_{run, end} commands Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 44/46] postcopy: Use userfaultfd Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 45/46] End of migration for postcopy Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-04 17:41 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 46/46] Start documenting how postcopy works Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)
2014-07-05 10:28 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 00/46] Postcopy implementation Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 14:02   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-07 14:35     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-07 14:58       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-10 11:29       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-10 12:48         ` Eric Blake
2014-07-10 13:37           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-10 15:33             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-07-10 15:49               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-07-11  4:05                 ` Sanidhya Kashyap [this message]
2014-08-11 15:31           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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