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From: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
	KVM <kvm@vger.kernel.org>, qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Jens Freimann <jfrei@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/RFC 4/5] s390x/kvm: test whether a cpu is STOPPED when checking "has_work"
Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:44:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53D78937.3010307@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2B39547D-B9A3-4509-808C-B0808067ED54@suse.de>

On 28/07/14 16:22, Alexander Graf wrote:
> 
> On 28.07.2014, at 16:16, David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
>>>
>>> On 10.07.14 15:10, Christian Borntraeger wrote:
>>>> From: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>>
>>>> If a cpu is stopped, it must never be allowed to run and no interrupt may wake it
>>>> up. A cpu also has to be unhalted if it is halted and has work to do - this
>>>> scenario wasn't hit in kvm case yet, as only "disabled wait" is processed within
>>>> QEMU.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: David Hildenbrand <dahi@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>> Reviewed-by: Cornelia Huck <cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com>
>>>> Reviewed-by: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
>>>
>>> This looks like it's something that generic infrastructure should take 
>>> care of, no? How does this work for the other archs? They always get an 
>>> interrupt on the transition between !has_work -> has_work. Why don't we 
>>> get one for s390x?
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Well, we have the special case on s390 as a CPU that is in the STOPPED or the
>> CHECK STOP state may never run - even if there is an interrupt. It's
>> basically like this CPU has been switched off.
>>
>> Imagine that it is tried to inject an interrupt into a stopped vcpu. It
>> will kick the stopped vcpu and thus lead to a call to
>> "kvm_arch_process_async_events()". We have to deny that this vcpu will ever
>> run as long as it is stopped. It's like a way to "suppress" the
>> interrupt for such a transition you mentioned.
> 
> An interrupt kick usually just means we go back into the main loop. From there we check the interrupt bitmap which interrupt to handle. Check out the handling code here:
> 
>   http://git.qemu.org/?p=qemu.git;a=blob;f=cpu-exec.c;h=38e5f02a307523d99134f4e2e6c51683bb10b45b;hb=HEAD#l580
> 
> If you just check for the stopped state in here, do_interrupt() will never get called and thus the CPU shouldn't ever get executed. Unless I'm heavily mistaken :).
> 
>>
>> Later, another vcpu might decide to turn that vcpu back on (by e.g. sending a
>> SIGP START to that vcpu).
> 
> Yes, in that case that other CPU generates a signal (a different bit in interrupt_request) and the first CPU would see that it has to wake up and wake up.
> 
>> I am not sure if such a mechanism/scenario is applicable to any other arch. They
>> all seem to reset the cs->halted flag if they know they are able to run (e.g.
>> due to an interrupt) - they have no such thing as "stopped cpus", only
>> "halted/waiting cpus".
> 
> There's not really much difference between the two. The only difference from a software point of view is that a "stopped" CPU has its external interrupt bits masked off, no?

We have
- wait (wait bit in PSW)
- disabled wait (wait bit and interrupt fencing in PSW)
- STOPPED (not related to PSW, state change usually handled via service processor or hypervisor)

I think we have to differentiate between KVM/TCG. On KVM we always do in kernel halt and qemu sees a halted only for STOPPED or disabled wait. TCG has to take care of the normal wait as well.

>From a first glimpse, a disabled wait and STOPPED look similar, but there are (important) differences, e.g. other CPUs get a different a different result from a SIGP SENSE. This makes a big difference, e.g. for Linux guests, that send a SIGP STOP, followed by a SIGP SENSE loop until the CPU is down on hotplug (and shutdown, kexec..) So I think we agree, that handling the cpu states natively makes sense.

The question is now only how to model it correctly without breaking TCG/KVM and reuse as much common code as possible. Correct?

Do I understand you correctly, that your collapsing of stopped and halted is only in the qemu coding sense, IOW maybe we could just modify kvm_arch_process_async_events to consider the STOPPED state, as TCGs sigp implementation does not support SMP anyway?
David would that work?

Christian

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-07-29 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-07-10 13:10 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/RFC 0/5] s390x/kvm: track the logical cpu state in QEMU and propagate it to kvm Christian Borntraeger
2014-07-10 13:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/RFC 1/5] update linux headers with with cpustate changes Christian Borntraeger
2014-07-10 13:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/RFC 2/5] s390x/kvm: introduce proper states for s390 cpus Christian Borntraeger
2014-07-10 13:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/RFC 3/5] s390x/kvm: proper use of the cpu states OPERATING and STOPPED Christian Borntraeger
2014-07-10 13:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/RFC 4/5] s390x/kvm: test whether a cpu is STOPPED when checking "has_work" Christian Borntraeger
2014-07-28 13:49   ` Alexander Graf
2014-07-28 14:16     ` David Hildenbrand
2014-07-28 14:19       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-28 14:22       ` Alexander Graf
2014-07-28 15:03         ` David Hildenbrand
2014-07-28 15:57           ` David Hildenbrand
2014-07-28 16:45           ` Alexander Graf
2014-07-29 13:52           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-07-29 15:06             ` David Hildenbrand
2014-07-29 11:44         ` Christian Borntraeger [this message]
2014-07-29 11:49           ` Alexander Graf
2014-07-31  7:45             ` David Hildenbrand
2014-07-10 13:10 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/RFC 5/5] s390x/kvm: propagate s390 cpu state to kvm Christian Borntraeger
2014-07-10 13:14 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH/RFC 0/5] s390x/kvm: track the logical cpu state in QEMU and propagate it " David Hildenbrand
2014-07-10 13:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2014-07-10 13:27   ` David Hildenbrand
2014-07-28 13:43     ` Alexander Graf
2014-07-28 13:45       ` Alexander Graf

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